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Jesus is a raptor.
Made from star dust
^ this
He’s also a zombie.
and a wizard with a knowledge of king-fu
He also molested me when I was 6.
And again last night.
He sent me back in time, and forced me to molest myself…
This^^^
That vvv
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Pink is trolling and all of you took the bait. I tip my hat to you sad sad fools.
May god have mercy on you’re souls!!!!
Yore not going to catch anyone out with that olde trick.
*May “God” have mercy on your grammar.
Also, no trolling here unfortunately. She really is that dumb.
He’s also someone that suffered an extremely painful death by the Romans nailing him up on a pine cross, then taking away the tiny platform that allowed him to stand a bit. He suffocated because his body could not handle it. Imagine having to friggin’ hang by the massive nails that have gone straight through you hands and are tearing through your muscles.
History fail wipeout16.
The Romans didn’t use nails hammered into flesh to crucify people because the weight of the body would make the nails rip through the flesh and the body would fall. They tied the poor sods up with rope and twine. Also if the Romans wanted you to suffer in crucifiction they would break the legs of the poor sod being crucified so that it was more painfull and they would die quicker in torment.
Nails through wrists, apparently, could support the weight of the body. I’d thought the breaking of legs was so the crucified couldn’t support his weight, so he would suffocate from the forces on his chest cavity.
yes i believe this was used as a mercy to end it
The nails had to go through his wrists
That’s a pretty awful way to die, but it doesn’t make him any more special than the next victim of gruesome execution.
jesus was executed for his crimes against the state of israel. he was a con-artist who claimed to be the son of the jewish god and for the followers to go to heaven, they in turn had to worship him. Turned himself into a mryter, and it’s been a downhill mess that’s held our world back ever since. Ever wonder why the first half of the bible is the jewish “bible”, better known by christians as the old testament? I dont agree with judaism, but you have to be a ignorant individual to see jesus as anything but a plagiarizing con-artist. And incase you are wondering, I’ve read the bible, front and back.
So. Much. Win.
It’s called a “hang nail”
the nails were through his wrists and he also had rope binding his arms as was the more common crucifixion. As you said the nails would have ripped through his muscles and he would have fallen off.
error 1:
you can’t hang someone on Nails put through the hands. the hands would rip and you’d fall down (thats extremely painful but not lethal). The Romans put the Nails through the underarms right before the wrist.
error 2:
there aren’t barely any muscles in the hand most muscles for the hand are in the underarm and these muscles are connected to the fingers by tendons.
error 3:
you forgot to make a point with your side-note
i think it’s kinda funny how hard it is for religious people to make even one correct statement.
To most people, ‘underarm’ means ‘armpit’. I think you mean ‘forearm’. Just sayin’.
1un·der·arm adj \ˈən-dər-ˈärm\
1British : underhand
2: placed under or on the underside of the arm
Webster’s definition of underarm.
Apparently, Miriam Webster is not most people…
Oh, who knew. Must be an Australian thing.
Miriam Webster would not be most people, in fact she would only be Miriam Webster, but I’ll accept that definition from Merriam-Webster.
It. Was. A. Pun. A bad one, but a pun nonetheless.
You really are a retard lol. Wheather or not god i real or whatever jesus was real he did get crucified… so the fact that you think its kinda funny about making one corrent statement… error 1 is wrong error 2 is a basic misconception u ever broke a finger… or your wrist… theres plenty of bones in ujr arms/ hands…. there was no point with teh side note (y)…your a retard
ross,
If you want people to listen to you calling them retards might not be the best idea. It is especially not the best idea when you don’t use the correct use of “your” v. “you’re”. The correct grammar would be “you’re a retard” not “your a retard.” Also, an ellipsis is not the same as a period and in fact takes more time to write out and read. So it isn’t even a useful form of text speak.
Now, moving beyond the style and grammar issues, simply saying that someone is wrong is not a helpful response. There’s substantial evidence aside from the anatomical issues that the nails went through the wrists. We have crucified remains showing no substantial damage to the hands. See e.g. the discussion at this article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7291066/#storyContinued/ For more relevant information see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1581838/Why-the-BBC-thinks-Christ-did-not-die-this-way.html
The idea that the nails went through the hands is not supported by the Biblical text, by archaeology, or by anatomical considerations.
Are we really arguing about where they nailed Jesus? Talk about a straw man argument. What next, are we going to argue about what material the nails were made of?
definitely iron, anyone who says brass is a heathen and should be crucified
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Him and hundreds perhaps thousands of other people.
Christians seem the think that teh ebil joos singled Jesus out for such horrific treatment but crucifixions were a pretty standard punishment back then.
Good job he was a fictional character then, else I might start feeling sorry for him!
If I imagine myself as a half-naked, well-hung, ripple-muscled white man, I could at least distract myself from the immediacy of the pains of living/dying. Isn’t that the appeal of Christianity?
If a white man showed up in the Middle East, claiming to be the son of God, no wonder they nailed him to a tree
Oh, for goodness sake, Jesus was not a zombie. Zombies are undead creatures with minimal intelligence and (importantly) no magic powers.
Jesus was undead, yes, but he had normal intelligence and (importantly) magical powers — he could fly, live forever, etc.
As any player of role-playing games could tell you, Jesus was therefore a lich.
Love it!
Can a lich walk on water. Tiki Mik does
So, more of a vampire then, what with the undeadness, the magical powers, the intelligence, and, you forgot, the whole “drink my blood to become immortal like me” thing.
A zombie is a animal re animated by means of magic. A lich is a type of zombie i think since they are reanimated via magic, though I am not the smartest lore person, so yeah.
So you’re saying that Jesus was a litch? That sounds easier to believe than him being a white guy in the middle east and being listened to.
This. Win.
^this..makes me sad…
Inna de byeball ittes seyyes inna “Isaiyer. 11-12″ twouse de fourse kornners offa de erearff…soooo korreacks me’es iffa eiy rongges, bhutt summare fing wattes hazza fourse korrners issa bouth skqwuare anna flatt’es’ed….sooo de earffes issa skqwares anna flattes…yu kno youse cannes lernnes alottes onna hear,..
wtf, man??
Wyitch wurdd youse no’es unnerstaendes…
What happened Drongo;? Before, when you quote the bible, you use normal, intelligible text. But now this?
Srry….itt’es a goddes fing…
He said in the bible Isaiah 11-12 blah blah the earth is square and flat blah blah…pretty much all there is. XD
He said:
“In the Bible it says in “Isaiah. 11-12″ to the four corners of the earth… soooo correct me if I’m wring, but something that has four corners is both square and flat….sooo the earth is sqare and flat…you know you can learn a lot on here,..
You’re wrong, rectangles also have four corners.
And parallelograms and rhombuses
rhombusi?
rhombodes?
Wow! flat and square -just like maps!!! this actually makes sense!
It kind of looks like English with a Haitian/Creole accent….
Sounds vaguely lolcats to me, mates.
Maybe he’s actually been reading it. Seems to be a common side effect….
He’s speaking in tongues
^ that! is a good one
He said: In the bible it says in “Isaia 11-12″ to the four corners of the Earth….so correct me if I’m wrong, but something that has four corners is both square and flat….so the Earth is a square and flat…You know you can learn a lot on here.
A tetrahedron has four corners. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
The bible is wrong, Drongo.
Earth is not a square, it does not have four corners.
It’s a figure of speech.
It’s not a figure of speech. The bible is just wrong.
Errmmmm “prouff’es…wearr’es youse prouffes……soooo no’es prouff den sftu
Have you had a stroke?
Wy? mee moudderattedes agannes..
Because the bible says so.
The original post is the truth, imo. And no matter which you believe, the title is ture.
*true
I’d prefer the title being ture….
*turd
dust is composted of dead skin, dead skin comes from us, we’re made of something we make…
if you scare a normal grasshopper it gets afraid and jumps away. If you scare a grasshopper with no leggs it doesn’t jump away. so it isn’t scared. Chuck norris isn’t scared of anything. So Grasshoppers without legs are Chuck Norris… be afraid… be very afraid
So if I was to rub two lumps of coal together, the coal dust would be made of dead skin? omg coal is still alive :S
Coal is made from compressed Dinosaur waste and other organic material….. so yes.
Are you honestly trying to defend the “dust is made of dead skin” statement? Coal is mostly plant matter anyways.
ashes to ashes, dust to dust… i feel all fancy and philosophical now
Household dust is, yes. Concrete dust, star dust, coal dust, saw dust, etc. are made of different things than the “dust” on your tv.
Learning is fun!
Red is the fruit of the love between a finger and a rectum.
This reminded me of Monkey Face. I thank you.
The title’s actually right. whether it’s “dirt” dust or star dust, it’s still dust (in the wind).
You’re my boy, Blue
Dust…wind….dude!
Yes! Yes! Like sands through the hourglass, these are the Days of our Lives!
Like the cleaning of a house, It Never Ends!
+1 internets for Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure reference
The bible, rly?
Where in the bible does it say stars, fusion, and carbon aren’t real? I missed that part.
I don’t have a problem with people who believe or don’t believe what’s in the bible. But I do have a problem with people who don’t believe what we as humans have observed in the world and universe.
Those people who don’t believe, are called religous.
And the people that believe all religious people are inferior are called bigots.
Only if your religous are they are bigots. Otherwise they are normal.
wasn’t adam made from dirt? and eve was made from his rib… therefore they are both made of dirt??? It’s been a while since I’ve read fairy tales… but i think thats how the story went
^ Beat me to it.
and that “fairy tale” agrees with origin theories of the Universe – made from dust (of the Earth, via stars). Care to retract that fairy tale comment, or is evolution also a fairy tale?
Exactly how does the bible agree with the origin theories of the universe? It states that light was created before stars and that plants and animals were created before light.
Your play.
*Correction Plants before the stars
Matt and Pink should get together and become friends!!
Humans made from dust!! Pay attention to the original thread!
Aahh, nuts, you’ve already clicked away. Damn ADHD.
Other things: big bang (let there be light); recent discovery of massive floating H20 in the earliest viewed stages of the universe (darkness on the face of the deep, suggesting water), and yeah…. the big bang light precedes the creation of stars (themselves a merging of earliest universe plasma and matter).
Plants and animals were created after light.
The sun was created on the 4th day. You can’t have “the morning and the evening” with no sun.
How do you explain talking snakes, burning bushes which also converse with you, poison apples, and…. ahhh…. screw it. This argument goes no where. Free thinking against brainwashed sheep = a conversation to nowhere.
plants and animals couldn’t physically be created before light. Sun= light, Sun =warmth, no warmth=no animals. therefore, light (or sun) had to have been there for there to have been animals. The only way light could come after animals is if animals then could survive without the sun. But according to fixity of species….they could not. Bible=contradicting itself.
Day four: Sun, moon, and stars created
Day five: Fish and birds
Day six: Land animals and humans
Danny: Ignorant and spouting off stuff without researching first. Argue intelligently, not just on the side of intelligence.
If you will kindly read the comment that was made by gant that I was responding to, then your opinion of my intelligence might change. Here, I’ll copy and paste it for you too, if that helps.
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gant
October 6, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Exactly how does the bible agree with the origin theories of the universe? It states that light was created before stars and that plants and animals were created before light.
Your play.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
For that matter, I don’t have a side. I believe that intelligence and creationism can coexist. I believe that God directed and had a big part in evolution. What I don’t necessarily believe in is the modern wording and people’s dependency on what the bible says, and taking every single word it says literally.
Inferior, no. Brainwashed, yes.
+1
I want to choke out pink.
I will hold them down while you choke them. Teamwork!
I’m in! Let’s make sure his few brain cells will not receive any O². For the greater good
Doesn’t matter since the Bible doesn’t say anything about oxygen, therefore it doesn’t exist, and therefor they will not suffocate. I’m willing to test out that hypothesis on them though.
therefore*
ill be the get away driver! also, i brought you some duct tape and plastic sheeting.
I find the comment ironic – if you believe the creation story of the Bible, wasn’t Adam made out of dust? So – is the only debate where the dust came from?
Knowing your religion fail.
It doesn’t matter what the myth says. What’s important is the result of scientists actually studying the real world. That trumps every myth.
Exactly… I can write a random story too, but as long as it’s not scientifically proven, it holds no value when trying to explain things in this universe…
Unless you’re on the internet… or watching the news.
Everything that you read on the Internet is true!!!!
This statement is false.
Ah, The Philisophical version of dividing by 0.
Assume it’s a myth more plz.
It appears that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the word ‘assume’ means.
When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me
^sihT
Precisely! Also we ARE talking about a myth which men in political power attempting to skew the thinking of the masses in order to elevate their own political power (this would be called an agenda) decided which books, scrolls, ancient writings would and would not be included in this myth. I find it hilarious that most Christians are not even aware of this. They simply have swallowed whatever their pastor\priest\minister\cult leader has shoveled down their throat. Ah, blind faith. The back up argument of every person who bought this load of B.S. hook, line, and sinker.
Blue/green’s implications state that we come from fragments of star combustion. Not gonna lie, there are several theories of where humans come from… but all of them are theories because we can’t prove a thing since none of us are literally as old as time.
I think you are unaware of what the word “theory” means.
Indeed….a theory is not something that is ‘proven’. It is something that ‘has not been disproven’. Obviously, it therefore needs to be falsifiable. For example “God exists” is not a theory because, even though it has not been disproven, it -cannot- be disproven by any scientific means. If you have no way to attempting to disprove something, you also have no way of proving that it is valid.
This is one of the reasons why Intelligent design, for example, is not scientific and is not considered a theory. It’s not testable and is therefore not only impossible to disprove, it is also impossible to render valid.
Popper and Kuhn would be proud of you, son.
i hope this is trolling and not very, very stupid.
They said “not gonna lie”. In my experience, anyone who HAS to say that before coming to their “conclusion” is typically someone who lacks in the intellect department (or very very young).
Or is just talking out of their ass.
That fits under the “lacking in the intellect department”
True… but “talking out of their ass” has a little more zing.
My point exactly. It also takes into account that people like to lie and troll.
Read Erich von Däniken – he has some quite interesting and well researched theories on where we and our perceptions of gods come from.
And they’re all as crazy as a roomful of gibbons on acid.
No, the gibbons would still be more coherent….
von Daniken is my favourite comedian. “I can’t explain this, so…….IT MUST BE ALIENS!!!!”
it’s just another kind of bible…
please be trolling……
but im going to assume the worst.
someone find me a brick….
aliens!
When scientists use the term “theory” they don’t mean “random guess” or even “educated guess” but rather mean something a bit stronger. While there are different uses of the term, in most scientific contexts a theory is a hypothesis that is well-tested and has broad explanatory power.
Nothing in science or most other fields is ever “proven”. Gravity isn’t proven, nor is the existence of atoms, or that the sun is a star. Proof is for math and alcohol. Science can however talk about whether we have evidence for or against a claim and how strong that evidence is.
And the evidence for the standard picture of where elements arose is very strong. We can do very detailed computer simulations of supernovae and see that the simulated supernovae give off heavy elements at the approximate ratios of elements that we see in the universe.
We’ve also observed many supernova, and they give off heavy elements in about the ratios that we’d expect. We also know that stars don’t have those elements to start with.
Minor thing to note here: It is worth while to wonder how we can tell what elements stars are made of or throwing off when they are many light-years away. We can do this because every element has its own unique signature of light. To the naked eye, when you heat something up a lot it looks almost completely white, and even cold things often look similar. But if one looks carefully at the individual wavelengths, it turns out that every element has its own unique signature with certain specific wavelengths. So for example, there are three specific wavelengths which hydrogen absorbs, and when we look at the sun or stars we can see those absorption lines. So we’re pretty confident that the sun and the stars are made mainly of hydrogen. After that we see slightly weaker lines for helium and then the other elements.
The scientific understanding of the universe is something that has been slowly built up over thousands of years. The people who contributed to that understanding range from people we’ve all heard of like Galileo and Newton to others less well known like Oresme.
Comparing the scientific understanding of the universe to an iron age myth because both can’t be “proven” misses the point. The ancient Israelites didn’t know any better we do. We’d don’t know anything, and there are probably some things that we think we know but will turn out to be wrong. But the overall path is clear. Science can never attain truth, but slowly with patience and hard work science gets ever so closer to truth.
Well all these theories made us walk on the moon so they’re good enough for me.
But more seriously, Science can attain Truth. As far as we know all current theories could be correct (therefore true). Science has a very hard time being 100% sure that it did attain Truth.
Well, almost certainly not. We know that quantum mechanics and general relativity don’t quite mesh. So there has to be something we’re missing there.
Actually, you’re wrong about Gravity, It is proven which is why in science it is considered “Law.”
In science a LAW is a formulaic description of an observation. It’s neither explanatory nor is it a model. A LAW is basically a formula put into words. So the laws of inertia or gravity are G=(m1*m2)/r^2 etc…
A theory is a higher form (the highest, in science) of a scientific proposition because it’s a model with testable explanatory ability. It only gets to be a theory IF it’s been tested, repeatedly and presents a venue by which it could be disproved and meets a great number of other criteria.
In science, if it’s a theory, then it’s about as solid as the Bible wants to think it is.
Gravity is still a theory. A law is one of the ‘rules’ (for lack of a better term) that contribute to a theory. A theory does not become a law, it is the result of laws. Gravity, like any other theory, never becomes ‘proven’. It simply has resisted all attempts to ‘disprove’ it, much like evolution and other well known scientific theories.
The use of the term law in some contexts is a function of historical accident. While some people have attempted to distinguish between laws and theories it doesn’t work. That’s why you can for example have “Boyle’s law” which is not true in all cases.
It might help to ask yourself, if you think gravity has been proven what do you mean by proven that is different from other theories. Do you simply mean “has overwhelming evidence”? If so
then the atomic theory and the theory of evolution should all fall into your category also. This seems to be an overly broad use of the term “proven?
^took that right off the tip of my tongue
dirt and dust are different things. dictionary.com
dirt
A substance, such as mud or dust, that soils someone or something
dust
Fine, dry powder consisting of tiny particles of earth or waste matter lying on the ground or on surfaces or carried in the air
So dirt is dust but dust isn’t dirt. Verrrrrry interesting…
I died a little inside, yet again.
same..
Religion and Science shouldn’t be as exclusive as they currently are. I believe in God and I believe he created the universe, with that said I believe he did this through all the scientific explanations people can offer.
This is exactly what I have figured. I think the bible can be taken literally in some cases, but some other stuff written in there should be taken figuratively. Like how it says he created everything in just a few days, by ‘days’ he meant many (MANY) years. I do think that what God did can be explained scientifically by people. The extremely religious tend to get very touchy when someone mentions science. Just because some of what God did can be explained with science, doesn’t make his work any less amazing.
How can you take “some parts literally” and yet others not… How do you get to decide what’s real and what’s not?
Dice.
Ha!
quantum mechanics instead of dice!
Touché!
Fundamentalist Christians already do this themselves. I’ve met a lot of people that insist in the literal truth of the Bible yet still explain that the events of Revelations are allegorical and try to equate modern events with those described.
Christians seem to whenever they want to explain something.
Why can’t we?
If some parts of your bible can be taken figuratively, then why should any of it be taken literally? Who decides what should be taken literally and which taken figuratively?
Logic dictates that if any of it can be taken figuratively, then none of it should be taken literally.
Your “logic” is bad and you should feel bad.
^This. The bible contains stories told from many different perspectives in many different styles by many different authors, and even if you believe in God, you have to admit that each individual story has a varying number of links in that great game of telephone known as Religion. As such, it’s actually much more reasonable to think that certain parts of the Bible are literal while others are written metaphorically.
Which parts are which? Join a freaking bible study group for that answer.
I don’t know who wrote the Bible but if they had the Scientific method at the time, they would have written all of it literally.
No scientific paper gets published if it contains metaphores, second-degree, double-entendres and other unclear or ambiguous phrases. It makes understanding these papers much, much easier and it avoids confusion and disagreement on the point any researcher was trying to make.
Since you people are the ones claiming some parts are literal truth and others allegorical, that means the burden of proof relies on YOU, not the questioner. It’s your assertion, YOU back it up.
The part about not killing, stealing or lying are supposed to be taken metaphorigally.
The sentence about teh gays is to be taken literally.
^ made my day, thanks
I’d say depending on the bible study group you join, or for that matter, what flavor of Christianity rocks your boat;
Restorationism, Anabaptism, Protestantism, Anglicanism, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Assyrian Church, etc.
The answer will undoubtedly vary. Some take it really literal and some are more for the figurative definition of the bible. Since you can’t believe all of these variations and all of them promise only eternal life if you believe their variant of the understanding, you inevitably end up in hell anyway, no matter what you believe in.
Also, why do I have to wait up to a whole day during which my posts are awaiting moderation?
I tried to read the the Bible but I couldn’t find the “materials and methods” section. There was a lot of supplementary information, though.
You’ve just discredited over half the world’s literature.
Don’t take any of it literally. It was written almost two millennia ago, through word of mouth by people with little knowledge of science. Even the Jesus bits were written by people who never met the guy. It’s been translated several times. It’s hardly accurate. Moral guideline? Sure. History book? Not so much.
The first parts were written over two millennia ago. That’s where all the odd myths are, in the Old Testament.
If you believe that the universe was created by a supernatural being using the explanations scientific investigation has come up with, none of which need a supernatural being, then you are an idiot.
Nothing in science needs or requires a supernatural being. If you remove gods from every single scientific explanation, you are left with the exact same science.
k then, what caused the big bang and how did little bits of protein suddenly get the will to live?
It’s been proven, Mathematically, that the universe could have been created by a completely random accident.
Not saying it WAS, just that it’s possible. God has neither been proven nor disproven, but rather the question of whether or not he exists has been examined by people way smarter than anyone who posts on CBN and deemed a valid question.
Nobody knows absolutely that God exists. That’s why it’s called FAITH.
Also possible that time doesn’t exist and is just an illusion we perceive. Hard to understand for we humans, but possible.
But really, in the end, the best answer to timmy’s question is: just because we don’t have the answer yet doesn’t mean god is responsible.
Oh and protein bits never got the ‘will to live’ – WTF is this new theory?
**It’s not just possible, Time doesn’t actually exist. It’s a human invention so that we are able to record. It’s simply a way of measuring. To skip the jargon and techno-babble that comes with defining it, time is what a clock measures.** Since everything has the possibility to be past, future and present, then they are all and at the same time none, giving us the first example of a paradox. **A good place for a demonstration of this is the novel “Childhood’s End”. while it may be science-fiction, Clarke presents the idea of Time being more than we perceive it well enough for most people above the 10th grade to understand.** I say most because a majority of my class in my senior year “read” it without “reading” it and missed many details. Alas, these are the ones who shall inherit the earth.
For those of you who will inevitably respond with a tl;dr, just read the areas withing the *’s
Can’t time be looked at as a measure of entropy?
….no…because entropy has to do with thermodynamics….
If your evidence for a god is that it is unknown what caused the Big Bang then you are unconvincing because you are simply replacing an unknown with an even bigger unknown. I’ve heard a lot of believers who one minute said “Everything MUST have a cause” and then were perfectly happy to postulate an “uncaused cause” the next minute. If you’re going to accept that something could be infinitely old, it’s a lot simpler to just postulate that that thing is the universe and not some cause of the universe (or cause of the cause of the universe…)
As for the “will” to live, if you define a chemical structure that reproduces as having a “will” then you can model the likelihood that such a structure could arise by chance in certain physical conditions, just as many chemical reactions happen spontaneously in the lab today.
The “god of the gaps” argument is pretty old, and it keeps losing ammunition. Once upon a time, it was “if there is no god, then what causes eclipses, disease, pregnancy, tides, magnets…”
Don’t know, but you are using a fallacy known as argument from ignorance.
Lack of knowledge about the cause of A is not evidence for B. Lack of knowledge about what caused the “big bang” and/or how life began is not evidence for your religion.
Can you provide any credible evidence your god exists? I wouldn’t rely on the bible because it has been proven false in many ways. It isn’t even self-consistent.
One is not an idiot for believing in a supernatural impetus for the processes that we can now explain scientifically. There is no evidence for or against a god, which is why belief is known as faith. On the other hand, one is an idiot if one blindly rejects the theories which are consistent with all the observed evidence.
Gods are supernatural, science is the study of the natural world. Scientific explanations do not involve the supernatural. Religion is the belief in a supernatural force or forces which involves dogmatic thinking. The scientific method is willing to change it’s mind when a better theory comes around and is not dogmatic.
Two very different things. If you believe that your Jewish god is the creator of this universe then you’ll have to prove it as you are making the claim. Before you say that you are a Christian or Muslim then you should know that both those religions are off-shoots of Judaism and have the same god as the progenitor religion. If you believe that the Torah, Bible or Qu’ran are the evidence for your god then you have to take the genesis account as the way that the earth and the universe was created. The genisis account has failed scientifically several times in the first book. If you think the current scientific theories are the way that your God created the universe then you have to discount the Torah, Bible or Qu’ran accounts of creation as they do not follow the current scientific thoeries. Withouth those accounts of creation you have no God. So Scientific theories =/= Genesis means God =/= Science.
Actually, the religion I follow always has a scientific explanation for everything.
It even says the Big Bang created the universe; not a mythical god creature. Our “god” created us as humans.
This is why we can’t have smart things…
^ This.
Yes, /\ THIS
no, no… this is why we can’t have ANYTHING!!
Why are those two even friends to begin with? Pearls before swines….
The plural of swine is still swine.
the plural of plural is not still plural, but it would be if we made it plural, but it still wouldn’t be plural, as in the common sense of the word plural…..right?
yeah right… next you’r gonna tell me that plural of fish is still fish? or plural of sheep is still sheep?
Everybody knows the plural of sheep is ship.
No, the plural of sheep it shoop.
moose/moose??
The plural of fish is FISHIES!
Leave dem fishies alone! Fishies be mine!
One Shoop, many Sheep. Jeez…
Phoo. Beaten to it.
You got it wrong way around.
Also, one tooth / teeth, goose / geese, moose / meese.
They went to high school together. He defriended her shortly after taking this screenshot and posting it on his wall to mock her. I thought it was something failbook needed to know existed.
Let the battle between the atheidiots and the theitards commence!
Here, take this pair of binoculars so that you can observe the battle from your high horse.
+12 Internets (sorry, cutbacks)
Why thank you! His long legs really are such a bother.
Hahaha, I particularly like how he obviously considers himself neither making him somewhat of a boring сunt.
Brilliant assumption, but still just an assumption.
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/atheists.png
Cuthbert, I was going to write a paragraph explaining how awesome you are and how you have changed my life etc. but I can’t be bothered. Just let it be known that you deserve at least a couple of internets.
I’ll give him 9,001.
Well, at least you wrote a tribute to the actual paragraph you can’t be bothered to write. So I’m going to give you a tribute of the thanks that you would have received if I could be bothered to write them.
Why thank you sir, you are welcome. I can’t really be bothered re-reading your comment to find out whether I was meant to be thanking or welcoming you so I did both. I hope this didn’t cause you any inconvenience; if so, I regretfully apologise.
so ture man; i’m not so sure why people can’t just accept that nobody is going to believe anyone else, and just let people live their lives without argument
I’m just going to say this, if you are going to believe in something, at least respect other people’s beliefs, don’t call them dumb, it only makes you look stupid.
evolution is not something to “believe” in
calling dumb people NOT dumb, just because you want to respect everybody’s believes, no matter how stupid they might be (or in pink’s case are), actually makes YOU look kind of dumb.. sorry :/
^ this ^
Well, unless their beliefs have no basis in reality. Then they are dumb.
Nope. Also, if you believe in something, doesn’t mean it’s true and that you’re right to believe it.
unless it is science. in which case.
IT WORKS BIZNATCHES.
Explain dark matter then.
And then stfu and diaf.
Well why don’t you explain it with religion? Go ask God, see where that gets you…
Do you even understand the premise of this coversation? I don’t think you do, I could be wrong, but then I would just agree with you like a moron bible humper.
I’m not sure you understand it to be honest, you seem to be jumping all over the place. It seemed like Hunter57dor was on your side then you tried to stump him with dark matter for some reason, then you agreed with a guy who gave a scientific explanation.
But what really matters is that Jesus lоves соck, big fаt sweаty соck right in his аsshоle.
*sigh* this is why we can’t have nice things…..like grant money.
was it neccesary to insert the tidbit about, well, tidbits?
and for the record, dark matter has not been fully researched yet due to its inherent instability. the longest someone has kept it stable is about 9 seconds.
exactly what question were you going to pose about dark matter anyways?
It wasn’t only necessary, but mandatory.
Anyway I’m not sure why he asked you about dark matter, I think he accidentally started arguing for the wrong side then switched back over after realising his mistake but scuttled away when I pointed it out.
Um, Hunter, I’m not sure what you are talking about with the 9 second comment.
There are a variety of different proposed forms of dark matter. The two primary explanations are that there are a lot of large objects in space (on the order of a few Jupiter masses) that we can’t see because they are not very bright. They are known as “Massive Compact Halo Objects” abbreviated MACHOs.
The other primary proposal are the existence of very small particles that don’t interact much with normal matter. These are so called Weakly Interacting Massive Particles abbreviated as WIMPs. (Yeah, scientists think they are really funny).
Right now, WIMPs look a lot more promising than MACHOs but we still don’t know what they are. There are a few proposals. For example, one early proposal was that neutrinos could account for the missing mass, but it seems that standard forms of neutrinos can’t account for more than around 2 or 3% of the missing matter. There are other proposals as well, but I’m not aware of any form of proposed dark matter that is something we can create in a lab and has a meaningful stability of the sort you seem to be talking about.
well, we have know for a long time that the universe is expanding. if you look at galaxies, they are moving away faster and faster depending on the distance away from us already. so it really isnt an explosion of galaxies, its all galaxies moving away from all the other galaxies
(sorry accidentaly hit reply)
well, we have know for a long time that the universe is expanding. if you look at galaxies, they are moving away faster and faster depending on the distance away from us already. so it really isnt an explosion of galaxies, its all galaxies moving away from all the other galaxies. so space itsself, is getting bigger. you would think that expansion is something that would slow down, galaxies have gravity which really should make expansion diminish over time. so in 1998 when we figured out that they are actually speeding up, it was a big surprise. basically if we look at one galaxy that is moving away from us, tomorrow it will be moving away faster, this is known as the acceleration of the universe. but, we arent completely baffled, because according to Einstein even empty space has energy. or what we call dark energy. this energy is pushing the entire universe and causes the acceleration. now onto dark matter. eventually, this gravitational acceleration will push galaxies far enough away that we will be very very alone, and the space in between will be filled with dark matter. it appears BECAUSE f the gravitational acceleration. currently, dark matter takes up about 23% of the universe’s mass, and as the universe gets bigger, so will the amount of dark matter. it is created through the gravitational field caused by the pushing of galaxies. questions?
I got one.
If god is real. Then he should be able to create something that even he cannot create, right?
I believe you mean “Can God create something so heavy even he cannot lift it? If he can’t, he’s not ‘All Powerful’. If he can, then he now has something he cannot control, and therefore is not ‘All Powerful’. Either way, God cannot be ‘All Powerful’.
The fault in this argument is not understanding the nature of omnipotence. The answer is He could (and very possibly would) do both. Simultaneously.
“F**k paradoxes, I have omnipotence!”
Dividing by 0 doesn’t work either. You can only do things that are possible. Things like going back in time or God creating things He can’t lift just aren’t possible. “All Powerful” cannot bend the laws of space and time, physics, etc.
This is quite easily countered with “He can lift anything and there is no limit to the weight of anything he can create.” Therefore he is still all powerful.
So don’t use that argument when talking to a somewhat intelligent believer.
And yes, I’m an atheist.
…So he cant, then? so why’s he still omnipotent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
There you go.
http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1430
Thank you! Saved me the trouble of saying so…
^ This
The one thing about this that annoys me is NOT that she believes in the bible, but her patronising “Uhhhh” before she starts. As if to say “How can you be SO STUPID as to believe all that clearly fake sciency stuff”.
If she just said “Sorry, but that’s not what I believe in, as much as I’d disagree with her, I’d be more than happy to leave it at that.
Never gonna give you up
never gonna close my quotes…
Why should I respect other peoples beliefs?
At what point am I allowed to say their idea’s are stupid?
I respect people not the beliefs they hold.
never gonna let you down.
But in my beliefs people are dumb.
Why? Should we respect everything everyone has ever believed, or do you just want some special treatment? Some things are just dumb. That doesn’t make the person pointing that out look stupid.
I agree Stephen. Should we respect a Religious Viewpoint based entirely on a piece of Science-Fiction? Or can we at least call Scientology Bat**** Crazy? Besides, the only difference between a Religion and a Cult is the number of followers.
I respect people’s beliefs by not going up to their face and criticizing said beliefs without a reason.
But if their beliefs seem stupid to me, and if these beliefs become the topic of a discussion, then I will say so.
If you don’t like to hear what I think of your beliefs, stay away from discussions about them. We’ll have no problems getting along the rest of the time.
how can so much stupid fit in one person?
^This
Never gonna turn around
*run around
Sad that you correct the lyrics…..
Religion is holding humanity back. It’s not acceptable to say it, but it’s true. Pink is conditioned to have faith in BS instead of having a good understanding of science.
Well spoken, good Sir!
AND DESSERT YOU
You won’t dessert me?
I promise if you did, I would share. Even chocolate.
Please share!
It is true and sorry, but religion is brainwashing. Like noVa says below, you could smash proven truth repetitively into the faces of people like pink and they would still deny it and claim the bible is right. It’s a shame these people can’t see the bible for what it really is. It’s a good story, has some good messages in it, but it’s a story, written by man.
You can claim it’s the word of god but really if it were, why would god only tell one man and have him write it down, why wouldn’t he tell everyone, isn’t he omnipotent?
*rant over*
Jesus still loves you guys.
I went to high school with Jesus and his brother Jorge. Nice guys.
I know Jesus loves me. I only like him, though. Awkward.
Jesus and I are friends on facebook but we haven’t talked since middle school. He wrote on my wall last week and I was too uncomfortable to reply.
Umm..the bible was written by multiple people. Maybe you should learn something about it before ranting about. Just saying.
When he says “written by man” he means it was written by human beings and not a deity, not that it was written by one man.
Reading comprehension…
“You can claim it’s the word of god but really if it were, why would god only tell one man and have him write it down” …don’t try to look intelligent. It just makes you look like an idiot. reading comprehension …
Not sure if trolling or…
The pair of you have managed to, quite desperately I should add, completely twist a single line of someone’s post and you bizarrely consider it something to brag about. Everyone knows what BKS meant despite your efforts, and if you don’t understand it then you should take your own advice.
The Bible was written by 40 people over a period of almost 1500 years, so it wasn’t one man. It also depends on what “Proven Truth” comprises, Evolution can be doubted as the origin of life simply because people can only prove adaptation within the same species at this point, If a Theist doubts adaptation their an idiot, if they doubt macroevolution (for lack of a better word) they might be an idiot, but they could still be completely justified. The thing is the “Proven Truth” slammed into their face isn’t proven, in fact a lot of the truths people try to slam into my face i can easily find flaws.
You need to do more research. You quote myth as fact.
you know what else was written by numerous amounts of people over a large period of time? A book of fairy tales!!!
Ok, so written by 40 people over 1500 years … my bad, my point still stands, if it is “the word of god” how come he only told it those few? Why not everyone? And why did it take so farking long????
Proven truth, things like evolution, the fact, FACT, that the world is millions of years old. There is no proof of intelligent design yet there is proof against it. Take the giraffe for example, the vagus nerve runs down the neck, through the aortic loop and then back up the neck to the larynx. Who the hell would make such a stupid design as that??? Why is it like that, because giraffes didn’t have long necks to start with, they evolved to have them to reach the tops of trees for food, also, a giraffe only has 7 neck bones, you’d think they’d have more if they were designed with long necks like that.
*they’re an idiot. Try to remember to use the correct form when trying to convince people your not an idiot. Irony is fun.
You’re not an idiot* Irony is indeed fun.
Are you going to add some punctuation after “idiot*” or is that just meant to be one unintelligible sentence with a misplaced capital letter?
Oh, irony…
I felt the full stop after the asterisk was unnecessary seeing as it had already broken the sentence; seeing as we generally only use the asterisk in this manner on the interweb. I’m sure most people could tell that these were intended to be separate clauses. But if you wish to be special and misinterpret that sentence because of a lack of a comma, full stop or otherwise, be my guest.
Just as I’m sure most people have the IQ exceeding single digits required to realise that when LA said “your” he meant the similar looking and identically sounding “you’re”.
If you wish to special and say that your own grammatical errors should be excused whilst picking on someone else’s, then be my guest. Don’t believe that everyone else will also excuse them, though.
If you wish to special?
What if I prefer mediocre? Can I mediocre instead?
Of course, you’re doing it just fine.
*you’re not an idiot
Wow, you really need to get your science information from science instead of your preacher and your religion.
Evolution just means change. The Theory of Biological Evolution is the explanation of biological changes within species over time. It is not the explanation of the origin of life thats the Theory of Abiogenesis. Get a better education.
Also evolution from one species into another has been observed within the last 70 years over and over. The biggest one being the Nylon eating bacteria as Nylon was man made in the 50′s. These bacteria evolved into a new species that could eat nylon. Macro evolution in action.
Yeah, different species are different only physically (i.e. a dog looks nothing like a shark).
Genetically, animal species today are very similar. We have plenty of genes in common with whales (I think at least 90% but I don’t recall the exact number).
Turtles evolving from rodents might seem like a huge transformation from one species to another, but genetically the transformation wasn’t that big.
“Evolution can be doubted as the origin of life”. No kidding. The theory of evolution says nothing at all about the origin of life. Learn something about the theory before you try to debunk it.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
Religion itself, holds no one back, and is not mutually exclusive of science. In fact, religion in no way attempts to prove or debunk, any theory anywhere about anything. In fact, it holds the potential to make a person greater and more centered.
In fact, in fact, in fact… betrayed by my own copypasta.
Though I support your thought about some of those things… I would rather say that faith itself, holds no one back. It’s the mass religions that constrict and tie up what you’re allowed to do and believe. Faith in whatever you might find on your own, isn’t wrong. But mass religion where people are forced to things… Is. The reason why someone denies theories or facts of science or such like. Is not because of their own faith, but because of the faith shoved upon them in mass. It’s the group pressure version of what you’re allowed to believe instead of drugs. “If you don’t believe in this, you’re going to hell” Freedom of faith is what I believe in. Religion however, at this time, shouldn’t be allowed to roam around to grab others from their freedom of thought. “There are no religious children, only children. They aren’t old enough to make their own decision about what they believe, so they are only children.” They shouldn’t be forced into anything.
Yea, I had more to add on that, but my post got a little mangled. Not sure if it was the site or if I derp-deleted half of it.
I think you got my point entirely, “religion” is nothing more than a set of beliefs and principles that provide a baseline for how its members should live their lives. It’s monumentally helpful, healthy, beneficial, and eliminates many of the uncertainties and gray areas. A deity is not a prerequisite.
Actually, you could argue that it’s impossible to establish a healthy society without one.
However, humans have this powerful ability to not agree with each other, an aversion to reason, and a fear of anything unknown or different. So we will always find reasons to fight and kill each other. Religion is just another tool that we use as an outlet for our stupidity.
…your point on children though, I see it in reverse. I think you should impose your lifestyle onto your children as hard as you can…but allow them to break away if later they decide it isn’t for them. But…eh, parenting, both methods can work.
Aye, I agree with ya there. Both methods can work. I was raised Christian, but grew away from it later. But during the years I was raised, I was never forced to believe in anything, they just told them of the good things and how it guided them etc. etc. I don’t think they ever would call me a christian child. But, as a young kid and if I hadn’t gotten thoughts from outside, I would probably have ended up a priest. But *shrugs* We’ve all got our ideas on things, and none of us are intelligent enough to listen to others when it comes to parenting
(that including me, but I’ve no intention to get any children at the moment)
And when it comes to our ability to disagree with eachother. Yes, there is that too. But again. The reason why there are mass religions is because we had the need for something bigger than ourselves. There are some papers out there where someone studied (that from what I understood) religion was something that naturally came to us because of the kind of people we were and are. That it came out as we evolved.
But religion isn’t needed for a healthy society. Atheists manage just as well to have a healthy life, good behaviour, smile and everything. And they do it out of free will. Not because they’re forced by a religion to abide by the rules. I believe in free thought, free mind, free life. Just don’t hurt anyone. And the basis of the rules in say, the bible, is nothing more than what we have learned to grow up with as a species. We are a tribe, to make the tribe survivability increase, we have to keep eachother together. We can’t hurt eachother, we can’t fight between eachother because we’ll die out if we fight too much. (though our intelligence level on this point is sinking drastically for each war there is in the world…..) We have to live with eachother and bring our society forward.
Now that I’ve said all this. I rather hold the word faith in my heart, and not religion. Religion suggests a mass, a bigger gang of people. Faith doesn’t need more than one person. And we don’t need a big religion to define us. We just need other people with us. Mass religion or just religion is to blame for most of the bad things in this world that has happened….. So I would rather opt for the free faith. You can believe whatever you want to believe, you can set your heart in trusting in whatever you want to. So long as you don’t hurt anyone for any reason other than self defence.
The greatest thing I want others to teach. Is tolerance. The ability to accept people for who they are and what they believe and what they look like. And if I seemed rude in any way, I apologise. ^^ You are quite right in how we find outlets for our stupidity. Our fear of the unknown is also very powerful.
That’s why I want others to see that it doesn’t matter what or who you are, so long as you find peace. The interruption of information, the stopping of education, the blindness of the mass religions, is what prevents us from being one society, instead of divided into hundreds of countries, we could be one. If it wasn’t for our ability to distrust others who aren’t alike….
Sorry, rant went off a bit. But most of my thoughts are there ^^
Yes, because a delusional person is greater and more centered than a normal person.
Though I do respect other people’s beliefs, I still don’t understand how people can believe in creationism. Sure, go ahead and believe in god and all that, but how can someone really deny evolution and the big bang? How can someone really believe that everything was created in 7 days only 6,000 years ago?
This. I know someone who devoutly believes Harry Potter is the work of the devil, that homosexuality is a sin because it’s in the Bible, but still eats pork.
S’a big ball of hypocrisy, preaching toleration and then hating on everyone who doesn’t agree. The eating pork thing is bad, too.
Probably wears mixed fabrics as well, f#$%ing heathen….
And no Tattoos! remember that! they are only for branding your slave stock!
Oh, and insects have four legs and Bats are in fact birds!
All there in the holly babble…
well, here is the thing. Assuming there is a God (again, this is assumption. Im a Christian, but i like to try to be as unbiased as I can in these issues.) A God who is all powerful and capable of creating something out of nothing. Then wouldnt it be possible for him to create a planet that shows signs of old age, but is in fact only a fraction of that age. The technical term for this is the “appearance of age” theory. I personally dont think its true, but logically, it could make sense (again, if we are assuming there is a God, etc)
I agree with you, but if that hypothetical god can make anything, even a planet that looks older than it is, you could then believe in anything humans can imagine.
Maybe god didn’t write the Bible but made it look like he did. Maybe we don’t see things as they are and the sky is pink. Maybe invisible unicorns fly in the sky… What do we believe or don’t believe then? The most reasonable answer, in my opinion, is to assume things are what they look like. It could be a mistake but it’s your best bet.
Ah, the God is a trolololol idea. He went round burying all those fossils for us to find one day too. I guess it’s possible… but why would God play jokes on us like this?
I’m glad you said you’re a Christian but distanced yourself from the creationist nonsense. They are not Christains, they are very deceptive, bad people trying to scare good honest religous people into not understanding evolution.
Evolution and Christianity are not in opposition.
THIS!
Of course an omnipotent god could create a planet that looked millions of years older than it is. But why? Merely to test the faith of Christians in the 20th century A.D.?
The whole 6,000 year thing is restricted to a fairly small number of Christians. Also, people have for a very very very long time assumed that “7 days” was a relative number.
But no, I don’t understand either. Evolution doesn’t contradict doctrine, in fact it works WITH it on many levels. The Big Bang was even hypothesized by a christian, and has been accepted by the major christian religions for a looooooong time. I don’t know why some individuals refuse to take it seriously.
I totally agree with you, instantmusic, but there are two important points: 1, Young Earth Creationists are nothing to do with Christians – they are pretending to be. 2, Big Bang theory (or more correctly biogenisis hypothesis) is nothing to do with established theory of evolution – which is indeed accepted by all major branches of the Christian church.
I don’t want to live on this irregular spheroid of compacted star dust any more.
Why is Pink taking chem then…..?
Exactly. Did she expect to hear something about the characters from that old fantasy book? What a moron.
Yeah – what’s she going to put in the final exam section?
Will she bend to the evil (and clearly wrong) science and answer questions that will get her marks? Or will she just put “God does it. Read the bible” as the answer to every question??
Wow…… Science will always trump Religion in my book because it follows logic and reason.
I’m a Christian that believes in evolution and the big bang theory. Ignorant christians make me want to convert.
You should, I did and it’s much more relaxing not being associated with them
‘nothing wrong with that. The big bang theory was drafted by a christian anyway.
i guess you could smash the (proven) truth repeatingly into the faces of people like pink, they would still claim that bible BS is right -__-
i dont want to live on this planet anymore…
I, for one, would like to see the proven truth smashed repeatedly in the faces of people like pink. Literally.
I would have liked to have seen the rest of this conversation, i guarantee there was more after that.
idk.. green probably just instantly unfriended her, because he realized there is no point in arguing with those who deliberately refuse to think
It’s perfect as it is. Leave it be!
I just want to see pink smashed repeatedly in the face
Agreed. And I consider a crowbar proven truth.
*engraves science texbook in small text on an aluminum bat*
*hands to jimmy*
put her down jimmy……
cool, he has a mormon friend. troll him with magnets!
o_o K I read the bible…says we were made from dust :/
Arguments like this dismay me. I don’t know why people insist that science and religion are mutually exclusive. Whether you believe in Christianity or not, the Bible never said that people were NOT made of atoms created by fusion inside of stars. It just said that God created the Earth – it never said how.
Okay, there was some language in Genesis about the whole thing being done in 7 days… but if you use your imagination and stretch the 7 days into 14 billion years, the two stories can mesh up. Ancient people didn’t have concepts like “billion,” so it’s reasonable to see “day” as a metaphor.
Scientists and religious people: I hereby order you all to stop your bickering. There’s more important crap to worry about.
Yes, more important things like cloning dinosaurs!
How many different ways can we justify our book of fiction so that we can “imagine” it to be real?
Congratulations, you’ve managed to corrupt a religion and cannibalise scientific theories to form a monstrous entity that you claim embodies both of them but is really hugely removed from and directly contradicts the pair of them.
So, you’ve managed to convince yourself you’ve made your own religion fit with science. How do you think this means nobody’s religion can contradict science, then?
The issue here however is that the Bible was written in a time where every unexplained event was attributed to God or Gods. Some Scientific endeavour had been undertaken in explaining some of these things, but it was often interrupted by pesky “Heretic!” burnings and what not. I would be more inclined to believe in God if he was to give us something tangible in today’s society. It’s all well and good to have people believe in Godly beings thousands of years ago, but how about something now which makes even skeptics like myself go “Oh… umm… Wow”. Yes, I know God isn’t there to perform flashy magic tricks, but you cannot sit back and show absolutely no evidence supporting your existence and then condemn people to eternal suffering for not being convinced. This is probably going to be the only thing which will unite Scientific and Religious Ideologies. There’s just too much bad blood and witch burnings between the two.
Also, Christians of all creeds, hear my call. Be you Protestant, Catholic, New Baptist or anything in between, STOP ARGUING! How can there be so many different Christian Faiths based on the same item of faith? A disagreement over a few verses does not need a whole new branch of religion >.<
Like I always say… God gave us common sense, it would be an offense to him not to use it.
Thanks to the common sense he gave me, I believe in what has been proven to me and I do not have faith in anything. If god exists and didn’t want me to use common sense he wouldn’t have given it to me.
Of course you have a few loons who will reply that god is testing me and I’m not really supposed to use common sense….
But if so, I’m not interested in that god anyway and he can’t harm me – all he could do is send me to Hell, and if that’s how god is then the Devil probably ain’t a bad fella.
^^ This!
I’ve heard that the “7 days” only arises in the English translation, and that everything was originally just written in sequence.
It’s not just the time period that makes no sense, it’s the sequence as well. Either that, or the plants lived quite happily for a billion years before the sun came along…
She doesn’t… She doesn’t believe in….. She doesn’t believe in… chemistry and physics?! *Brain explodes*
Sincerely,
College student majoring in Chemistry, minoring in Physics….
I reject your physics and substitute my own.
*flies away*
i reject your sense of humor and substitute it for my own.
woopwoopwoopwoopwoop (V) (;,,;) (V)
i reject YOUR physics and give you MY own.
*laughs as you crash into the ground
Another corrupted mind…
Why does stupid exist?
nothing wrong with stupid people. however, stupid people insiting on staying stupid and trying to stupidify other people too.. now those are really annoying
Religion is the answer to anything. If anything was your question.
Because they stopped the compulsory sterilization programs of the early 20th century?
I don’t want to live on this planet any more.
This post belongs on Parenting Fails.
Stupid pinks, you can’t explain that
Hannity and JR Bob Dobbs in one sentence. Well played Sir.
Aliens.
Our knowledge of space and stars is not only extremely limited, but all theoretical as well. There’s nothing even funny there. Creationism is just as much of a theory as the Big Bang. For the group of such “All-knowing-open-minded-people” who normally populate this site, I didn’t realize that belief in God was crossing a mentally open line that you guys just can’t get past. Geez. what in the world is y’alls problem?
The word ‘theory’ does not mean what you think it means.
^THIS^
This has nothing to do with the bible and everything to do with respecting others opinions. No one said it was wrong to be faithful– just that its wrong to call someone elses beliefs crap and dismiss it as untrue. No need for butthurt here.
There is nothing wrong with disrespecting someone else’s ignorance. A wrong belief is ALWAYS WRONG and deserves no respect.
It is ignorant of you to believe that the world is so black and white. Why not just let the so-called ignorant believe what they want and live your life whatever way you think is best? Everyone would be happier for it. If you want to know the truth, i think pink is an idiot. But what good is it to dwell on it? Let her stay an idiot; she obviously isn’t changing her mind anyways, and despite her rudeness, she’s not really hurting anyone.
All in all, you’re living your own life, not anyone elses. Get over yourself.
Yeah and if he wants to believe that some beliefs are stupid, let him.
Or do your rules not apply to you?
Not hurting anyone directly, but if it breeds then it will most likely force it’s beliefs down the throat of any unfortunate offspring it spawns. Rinse/repeat until we have a planetful of Dumb*
Because some of them end up being in public office, and making policy decisions without any concern for reality.
Yeah it’s not like her ilk go marching around and demanding people teach “bible truth” in school or anything….right?
This is the problem, there are too many schools in the US turning away from science and moving towards religion. Idiocracy will happen in the US and is already underway. Soon, it will be just another 3rd world country with masses of religious nutters or a crazy dictator running the place.
I just hope the rest of us can keep the Christian fanatics away.
Retards in the world is our’alls problem. Retards that have been given the ability and the right to speak. They do not deserve to be either.
*deserve either
grrrr…
You don’t sound so open minded or Politically correct there, what about these particular ideas get you so riled up, when ideas that are so much worse are out there and you say nothing about them?
Because idiots who don’t believe in evolution get to decide whether or not we are required to vaccinate children.
Because idiots who can’t read a graph get to decide whether or not the planet is warming and what we should do about it.
Because idiots who believe that “God never meant for us to live without water,” (and yes, I’ve seen that expressed in print) get to decide how we use depleteable aquifers.
Not all theories are equally valid. Saying Creationism is ‘just as much of a theory’ as the Big Bang is completely and obscenely ignorant of what a scientific theory means.
You might as well say that geocentrism is as valid as any other theory about the solar system.
Religion bashing is socially acceptable and gives people a feeling of unity. Humans are made to focus on similarities and differences, and if they don’t have an opinion either way will usually go with whatever makes them feel less uncomfortable.
TL;DR: It’s popular and people have strong beliefs.
Actually, in this society You’re branded a terrible person for insulting a persons sexuality, race and even appearance, but to insult the core beliefs that shape their life That’s acceptable? It seems like it’s not so much Politically correct as much as only insult the religious.
You want to talk about your belief in God, fine. You want to talk about how the Bible trumps physics, biology, astrology and chemistry, yes I will make fun of you. It’s not religion bashing, it’s impervious-to-reason bashing and I will take pleasure in it.
Ramen!
Well, It does trump astrology. Astrology sucks.
Do you even know what “theory” means or how the scientific method works?
thisiswhereitis: nope
The sentence “Creationism is just as much of a theory as the Big Bang” is pretty conclusive.
Except evidence, facts, mathematics, fossils, physics, chemistry, fetal development, light, geology, genealogy, genetics, and many more all prove creationism wrong.
We can track through most of the listed above that we originate from chemical compounds, not magic.
The “big bang” has been classified as an obsolete concept for a while, though creationists tend to be behind the times in science, and peddling crap from obsolete concepts. Hell, it’s name doesn’t even make sense for what it is when you think about it. There are a few concepts out there that explain the beginning of the universe that are well supported by the world around us, but a “god” fits into none of them. While none of those concepts may be right, they are one step closer to what really happened.
While science moves the goal post due to increases in knowledge, religion moves the goal post due to emotions. I rather live my life based on facts and reality than fantasy and what makes me feel good.
Radio Carbon dating is actually designed to only test for a certain range, if you tested anything you can’t get precise measurements beyond millions of years, not so reliable huh? Explain that fetal development part to me please because nowhere have i heard of Babies forming through magic, even from the “crazy” christians. Genetics doesn’t prove anything either, seeing as Evolution is based on random mutations, not the creation of new genetic information, yet those mutations lead to death or sterility like the white tiger mutation, they die in the wild and are very likely to have birth defects. physics, math, light and chemistry? That’s just grasping at straws. give me an example i can’t find a reasonable flaw in, and I’ll be the first to renounce my faith, until then I’m a christian and proud to say it.
Mutations don’t always lead to death or sterility- a good example is the peppered moth, which was white but evolved black specks/patches to blend in on soot-blackened trees in industrial revolution-era Europe.
I think that was one of the examples that lead to the theory of evolution being more widely accepted, as it happened in a time frame of about 25 years, so people were observing the colour change in moths for themselves.
But if you’re willing to renounce your faith if someone pokes a whole in your beliefs, then what you had wasn’t faith in the first place. Personally I let every new thing I learn reaffirm my faith, but that’s just me
*hole
Dammit, and I was doing so well.
The peppered moth was a bit of a hoax :/ Luckily there are countless other examples to use! Science be praised!
It was?! Goddamn New Scientist magazine for still printing about it!
*throws New Scientist magazines in bin and converts to Christianity*
Kidding
Disappointed in NS though >:(
Crapcrapcrapcrapcrap, I’m wrong, my fault for not double checking ‘facts’ and believing what has turned out to be an I.D. fallacy. I can’t find one reliable source to say it was indeed a hoax, so I’m guilty of blindingly following deceiptful and manipulative liers (just like the rest of Christianity).
Forgive me… please…. *sniff*
*retrieves New Scientist magazines from bin*
*glare*
*GLARE*
But I think we’ve all learned something here. We’ve learned that anyone, Christian or Atheist, is equally able to make mistakes. Evolution is still fact though
Most mutations really don’t do anything good or bad, and a lot of them cause variation. When the environment changes, sometimes there is “selection pressure” for one of the variation. Fish may naturally vary in color because of genetic variation. If the stream or river becomes occluded because of events upstream that persist, the lighter fish who are easier to spot are more likely to be eaten, and darker fish are more likely to survive and reproduce, thus in a few generations the fish will be dark. There is a well-cited example of this in “The Greatest Show On Earth”. In fact your white tiger mutation example is good proof of evolution. There are very few white tigers (or albinos of any species outside the Arctic) mostly because they are easily found by predators when still very young. Mom can’t protect them 24/7.
Whether you are a Christian and “proud” of it has little to do with whether or not there’s evidence for something. In general, confusing issues of personal identity should not be mixed up with evaluating evidentiary issues. Moreover, many Christians and members of many other religions are perfectly ok accepting the evidence for an old Earth and for evolution. There isn’t this dichotomy between science and Christianity that you have constructed. From a scientific perspective, belief in a deity type entity seems unnecessary, but that still leaves you potentially free to believe in the deity for other reasons.
I’m puzzled by how you brought up carbon dating given that there was no mention of it made by the post you are responding to. Yes, carbon dating cannot date things more than a few tens of thousands of years old. That doesn’t make it unreliable, that means like any tool, it has specific uses. One wouldn’t call a tape measure unreliable because it wouldn’t be a good tool to measure the length from Boston to New York.
Moreover, radiocarbon dating isn’t the only way of estimating how old things are. That method was only discovered about sixty years ago. A lot of other methods of dating things also exist. That’s why by 1840 or so every serious scientist (including the religious ones) accepted that the Earth had to be millions of years old. Even if one wants to focus on things like radiocarbon dating, there are many other radioactive isotopes that allow similar dating. These include argon dating, and uranium-lead dating. Te main restricting factor in what range you can do radioactive dating is the half-life of the radioactive substances in question (carbon-14 has a half life of around 5000 years so is only good for dating for about 10 half-lives or so, out to around 50,000 years). Since some isotopes have much longer half lives often in the ranges of millions or hundreds of millions of years, we can use those dating methods to reliably date things.
Of course, radioactive dating is not our only way of dating old things. We can use tree rings, and icecores, and other methods. And even without specific dating of objects on Earth we know that some things are really old because we can see star light from stars that are millions of light years away. So that light had to take millions of years to reach us. It is remotely possible that some entity decided to create that starlight in transit, but that requires assuming that your God is deliberately deceptive. Aside from the fact that you probably don’t want to believe that, you’d run into theological issues since God is specifically as truthful in Isaiah.
The claim that mutations lead to sterilty and death is an interesting one. Laura below responded to this quite well, but I’d like to note something else: Most mutations aren’t harmful or beneficial. Most mutations are *neutral* that is they don’t do much at all if anything. This is a consequence of the redundant nature of the genetic code and the fact that many amino acids are chemically similar to each other (so replacing one with another in a protein doesn’t do anything substantial). It might help to take a course in genetics, maybe at your local college. It is a really neat area, and allows us to understand some really cool stuff about ourselves and life around us.
But it isn’t necessarily healthy to promote this dichotomy between evolution and an old Earth and Christianity. They don’t need to be at war. Ken Miller for example is a very respected biologist whose own work is deeply connected to evolution and he’s a religious Catholic who goes to mass regularly. Francis Collins is another prominent example (he’s some form of Protestant, I don’t know of what denomination). So you shouldn’t think that in order to accept science you need to give up on your religion.
Well then, good sir, how IS babby formed?
You’re just regurgitating things from propaganda websites written by people who don’t understand the first thing about science.
I highly recommend you go and study science instead, not what religious fundamentalists think of it. Surely even someone as heavily indoctrinated as yourself can see that studying science is a better way to learn about science than asking people with vested interest in promoting ignorance about it?
a theory and a belief are two different things. dictionary.com
I’m sorry, but I have a hard time taking someone seriouly if their argument contains the word “y’alls”.
*seriously
*seriously
No one’s saying that we know anything and everything there is to know about the world. We humans have only been able to study planets, stars, and science in general for a few hundred years. But what we do know is that our technology and intelligence is (heh, or at least it SHOULD be) far greater than what it was 2,000 years ago when men were sitting tents writting a book about how every living thing just materialized out of thin air one day due to a magician in the sky, and just guessing how old they thought the earth was without any evidence or reasonable belief. It’s just sad because even with what we know now, we all should be a little smarter than that.
Doesn’t explain why Pink is so condescending towards blue/green…
If she knows that they are all just theories, then she should be willing to accept that some people will believe in them… just as she believes in her theory of God. She’s being a hypocrite…
You keep using that word (theory). I do not think it means what you think it means.
You are right. In science a theory is the best explanation given for the current evidence available after it has gone through the scientific method. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it.
A hypothesis is your educated guess and musings based on an observation along the lines of…. “I think this will happen if this happens.” Once you have this hypothesis you then test it and see if it is correct. If it is then you test it for repeatability a few hundred times. Then you write a paper on your findings in a reputable scientific journal like Nature for peer review. These reviewers will do their damndest to find a flaw in your hypothesis through their own testing of it. If they can’t find one then your hypothesis becomes a scientific theory.
Another one creationists get stuck on is Scientific Laws.
A scientific law is based on generalisation of observations. Scientific laws explain how things work but they do not describe how they work.
Somehow though I think thisiswhereitis won’t bother reading and understanding this.
This is making me physically ill, for real…
Me too. I seriously want to puke or beat somebody everytime i read stuff like that…
i hate it when people try to make a comeback with that a sentence like hers…
Guess she never read in the Bible “you are from dust and to dust you shall return” if you’re going to be ignorant about science, at least know religion!
Put it in terms pink can understand: “Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.”
I believe the full version is:
“Ashes to ashes, dust to dust
Your head’s full of sh*t, so keep your mouth shut”
It’s truth not stupidity. Science supports the Bible’s version. I suggest trueorigins.org answersingenesis.org or titles like The Lie:Evolution. Dissentfromdarwin.org. Also Evolution. News and Views. It’s the ignorance and blindness of old earthers that’s really what should make you sick. People need to accept the fact there’s no evidence for it whatsoever.
Please cite sources that are from reputable peer-reviewed sources. Also, please use correct grammar when doing so.
I am easily persuaded by facts and reasoned arguments. Aplogetics has neither of those going for it, in my experience.
don’t go using the word ‘truth’ when you have no idea of the definition.
No living being on this planet knows the truth. You can yell and pray or denounce whatever you want. There is a truth and not a single one of us knows it. We believe we do, but we can’t know if we are right until we have met who or whatever is out there.
If you truly believe that, please remove yourself from the internet, as the internet is obviously a lie, having derived from actual science, which according to you is incorrect.
It’s not science. It’s a twisting of science to try and make it fit the bible. It still doesn’t even get close to proving.
i think this goes in the section of “the earth is flat” and “the sun revolves around the earth”
both of these the church swore up and down where correct, and that someones math, observations, and determinations were incorrect. hundreds of years later, we get into space and find, oh hey, those guys were totally right, look!
maybe if you didn’t have your head crammed so far up your rear, you would see that.
I so hope you are trolling. The ignorance and blindness are not on the scientists’ sides.
Get the f**k off the internet. What science supports and what the bible support might well be the same story- after all, how do you idoits know that “God” uses the same 24-hour day as we do? However, you idiot creationists insist that the entire universe could form in only 168 hours, despite all evidence showing that it took 13.1 billion years. If this “God” of yours exists, couldn’t he get bored after a while and mess around with our DNA? There is no evidence that the crap you constantly spew at us is true, whereas every bit of evidence there is strongly supports science.
Yaaaay, religious nutjobs!
itt: dumb religion/science debate that will never say either side
That’s not accurate. When I was young, I was a young earth creationist (due in part to a religious upbringing). As I got older and learned more I accepted an old Earth but I still had some issues with evolution. It was reading debates on the internet, especially the old talk.origins on usenet that helped me understand how groundless those attitudes were.
I know other people in the same category. Discussion about these sorts of issues can be genuinely helpful. It isn’t that likely to do much when it is framed in a massive science v. religion fashion, but if one concentrates on specific claims and there evidence, people can be convinced and real progress can occur.
The worst part about this kind of thing is that, if God created the universe, don’t you think he would have created a VIABLE universe?! He wouldn’t create some imaginary universe where nothing makes sense. If he did, once our society hit a certain point, we could see through his creation and then realize God exists. The entire point of God is faith, so why would he put incontrovertible evidence that he exists in our universe!? Hence, science is still correct, even if you believe in God! The chair of the Biology department told us once that he still had faith despite his belief in science. It’s not impossible for the two to co-exist. Science can still make sense within the bounds of faith and vice-versa. Live and let live, but don’t be ignorant about the world around you.
*stands*
*applauds*
At least until we discover the Babel Fish.
Lets develop zebra-proof safety bubbles first.
I’d prefer pan-galactic gargleblasters but a Babel Fish would be fun.
If one claims to believe in “science” and one claims to have faith in almost any god, most especially the Abrahamic god, then one is either self-delusional or a liar.
Thank you for saying this. All this debate over which is right is just nonsense. Live and let live and stop calling religious people idiots. For once, can a mention of “God” not start a useless debate?
These ‘useless debates’ are great fun though! My heart races whenever I see a religious failbook post. Instant boner at seeing 300+ comments!
point out that the bible doesn’t even say anything about other planets but they believe in them.
Hasn’t anyone ever heard “Woodstock” by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young? It’s all there, man.
*lsd hit*
Oohhhhh. There it is maaannnnn…….ther it IS!……..oh wow man like …..woah. just woah. You know man???? Tou…know man.man.man.man.amn.aman.amanamanaamamamama bhahaqhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaahaahahaha
Joni Mitchell wrote that song.
can someone find me a brick? this one cannot be saved…..
*Hands over brick*
I have a second one. May I join you?
please do. you get the left, ill take the right.
Must have been a Carl Sagan video, I’m guessing. He was way into the existential side of astronomy and quantum physics.
Some of it is just mind-blowing. It’s a far more beautiful and delicate process than “God did it.”
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Everyone above this line has been trolled.
Seriously people?
All we are is dust in the wind, dude.
Dust… Wind… Dude…
Dude….where’s my avatar?
Pink is correct about one thing… “people are dumb.” It’s just amusing to me that pink actually *noticed* that.
yes but pink… clearly thinks the wrong people are dumb
My point… It’s surprising that pink isn’t too dumb to notice.
Ok, I’m sorry, but that darn thing keeps catching my eye, so I have to point it out.
Your thumbnail looks like a dark, blurry picture of a vag.
There, I said it.
^^this^^
It’s an updog.
Whatever could an updog be?
That dog is crowning?
That is a photograph of a Pomeranian’s adorable face. So sorry you can’t see it.
Now, who took the duct tape off instantmusic’s mouth?
Omg, I hate religious Bible-thumping nutjobs. I can say that ‘cuz my dad is one.
I can say it cause I can talk.
Jesus was a zombie, just thought you all should know.
Someone said that already, smarty pants.
it’s a shame they censored his/her name.
stfu believers.
I like peas.
Yeah…the Bible is basically a science textbook. Duh! /endsarcasm
So it’s more believeable that an invisible being got bored one day and said “Hmm, I think I’m gonna make a bunch of people and tell them that if they don’t believe in me and live their life for me then they’re gonna die and burn for all of eternity…..”
Wow, two fLamewars on the same day. Nice one, Aaron!
All human races across the globe have a creation myth. Christianity is just one that got a bit out of hand.
Why did I just think of the words, “Kill, maim, burn”?
i’m in the army, and i’m a christian. i’m not gonna call unbelievers “dumb” because i respect their beliefs. i disagree with your opinions, but i defend your right to say them. so at least show some respect, instead of calling christians idiots, or nutjobs. let the hating commence….
Unbeleivers in other religions have beliefs. Atheists like myself have no beliefs in Gods or Godesses. You should be trying to find me and stone me to death for being a non believing atheist instead of defending my right to say I don’t believe. Says so in Deuteronomy. Says a lot of things in Deuteronomy that none of the three Abrahimic faiths follow any more. How and why is being in an army relative to you being a Christian exactly? I don’t need to show respect to any religion or anyone holding a religious position. Respect it earned not given and no religion has earned any respect in the long history of humanity. Especially not the Christian one.
I do enjoy feeding trolls
I hate you.
Yeah, there’s a whole lot of tarring with very wide brushes going on here, I guess it’s the nature of… this place, if not the world.
So you respect all beliefs then and think that nobody can lack intelligence because everything they think or conclude is equally valid, or do you just want to sound special and nice?
Yeah, why should we take what the scientific community has agreed over years of studying as the truth? What me and Mike pondered over pints of beer in the course of many evenings has just the same amount of weight.
That said, I believe in the discordianistic creation myth.(http://www.principiadiscordia .com/book/63.php)
Not sure if trolling or just Christtarded.
Actually we are all made from the dust of ground noodles taken from the ends of The Flying Spaghetti Monster’s Noodly Appendage.
Get me a gun. This one is beyond our help.
*hands gun*
i have a brick here as well, if you would like that better.
Attention all christians, stop posting your religious beliefs on facebook, you’re making us look bad…
How can people have faith in a god that allows crazy people on buses, televangelists, and the WBC to do his PR?
*rubs temples* ughhhhh god i was not ready for this level of stupidity tonight -.-
We’re made of stardust?
Nope. Chuck Testa.
Ahahahaha! You dissipated all my rage at the poster and their close-mindedness. Good work.
oh my…
Just said the same damn thing on another post: religion is open source, sometimes the developers just dont really understand what they are trying to describe, let alone what tools they are using to describe it.
I always figured things would fix themselves if the benefits of science were reserved for those who believe in it. Yanno, the way religious zealots state that the benefits of their religion are for believers only.
Then we can see how some ghost stories about saints and a book of parables and bad translations stacks up against, like, everything that runs on electricity, and every medical advance since bloodletting was phased out.
Pretty sure it won’t get rid of the nutters, but they would have to stop using facebook. (Yes, I’m pro-Amish.)
This level of retardism makes me feel sorry for mankind.
ITT: People who act intelligent on a website created to post funny facebook posts for other people.
I remember when I saw that video. The whole class burst out laughing and we were scolded for laughing our butts off and then the video was turned off and we got an improv of what apparently followed. The thing is my generation isn’t a bunch of first graders, so stardust sounds really juvenile like
‘We were made from stardust and I rode a unicorn to make this video and there will be kittens pooing puppies riding rainbows later!’
I know Karl Sagan was trying to sound deep, but he just sounds like an idiot.
I’m curious how bad it got after that, though.
+1 internets for science.
Must… resist… urge… to strangle…
God took the star dust and made it into people. By using science.
Oh look! Religion and science living together happily.
Because if humans can do science, God sure can.
*Facepalm*
*facepalm from a Christian.*
Seriously other Christians! Just because you believe God made everything(not that i dont) doesnt automatically make all science incorrect.
Ignorant peoples.
Yes it does!!!!
*humps bible*
And people are against the death sentence….
soo much comments TL:DR
FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEEEE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one of the participating parties is made up of idiots.
One of the things about the “big bang” that doesn’t make any since: If there was nothing before the “big bang”, where did the atoms or whatever come from to cause it, hmm? You can’t explain that.
Another way of putting it is that we’re all just nuclear waste.
Pink is one of those people who make me lose faith in humanity.
The WBC’s bashing of Steve Jobs and now this? It’s really difficult to be a christian when people like this spout such nonsense in the name of the bible.
Agreed. I’ve never seen so many comments on religious posts.
Well Jesus said that followers of Christ will be persecuted.
Guess this is how its gonna start O:
I do not want to live on this planet anymore
Bible thumpers like her make me weep for humanity, how can you be so bloody brainwashed over some crap written a couple of thousand years ago?!?!
The Bible says were made from dirt so I don’t see how star dust is that farfetched.
stop reading the bible.
dirt pretty much is stardust….. well, not really dust, but a big ole chunk of what used to be matter in a star before it went and exploded. so technically, yes, dirt, trees, people, cars, it all used to be a star. its all carbon and hydrogen and good stuff like that.
Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return.
Problem, Pink?
Ok so the Bible says thqat the reason God doesn’t do any miracles and stuff is because even if here were to do it, many of you still wouldn’t believe it, so it’s pointless. He only does it for those who truelly want to believe.
And slow people like this just make me sad…no wonder everyone hates on us Christians…
Oh, and science CAN be used to prove that the earth was made by a All Powerful being. Every single thing created is soooooo complicated in the way it was made.Like if you were to study the anatomy of the body, it’s waaaay to complicated even at the cellular level, no even at the molecullar level to have been all done “by accident”. Everything was formed ever so specificly to do one thing. The chances of something blowing up and out of that explosion comes out a baby, is like 1 in 100×10^1000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
The day I see something blow up and a genius monkey holding a lightsaber riding a unicorn comes out of it, then I’ll seriously question my beleifs but everyone knows that won’t happen.
And the way the scientists have dated the earth has been proven to be inaccurate. They tried dating a valcanic eruption that happened 70 years ago from the 90s, yet the results came out that it was thousands of years ago. Explain that! O:
And please, everyone stop argueing and sayin stuff like “Jesus sucks” and all that, you have no idea what Christians go through to believe in what they believe in, so it insults us big time.
“you have no idea what Christians go through to believe in what they believe in”
Yeah we do, it must be horrible to have to live a lie and constantly need to keep reassuring yourself that your faith is rational. It must be hell having to sweep all those doubts under the carpet and put on a big smiley face while you sit in a church listening to badly written fan-fic.
This….is a stupid, stupid arguement.
Consider it for a moment….you are saying that God has to exist because “the world is too complicated”. So, in your head, it it impossible for the world to exist without someone to design it….yet you have no problem whatsoever with an infinately MORE complex, all powerful, supernatural being that exists spontaniously without a creator?
That is at best a contradiction, at worst outright stupidity.
Wow, you just made a whole tl;dr post about a stupider version of the Watchmaker Argument?
I just facepalmed.
The Bible is not accurate because unless I’m mistaken there is no proof of the man that lives in the sky.
*begins ranting*
The only reason the modern bible isn’t accurate is because it has been translated and changed to different versions so many times there’s no way of knowing what it said exactly when it was written, or what it meant. Keep in mind the fact that there are many old Hebrew words that we don’t even have an equivalent to in English. That doesn’t mean that everything it says is wrong, or even that it isn’t a positive moral guide to people. It just means that people shouldn’t be arguing about specific passages and even just specific sentences in said book, because no one can know for sure what the bible was supposed to say in the first place.
*rant over*
Just because there is no solid proof doesn’t make it inaccurate. It just means there isn’t any proof.
And this is why I’m an atheist ^_^
Sweet, sweet dogmatism…
People who refer the bible as a credible source makes me laugh.
you know what’s funny? I think Jesus would laugh too
u know the bible says we were made from dust
The great thing about my “religion” is that I have faith in the God that has provided for me. The bible was created through prophets that God had chosen to write what God wanted us to know. The reason so many people don’t believe in God is because it is too hard to understand. Their are no “facts”. But that’s what I love. He is a mystery. God is too big and too complex for our tiny brains to comprehend. But a good quote out of a play I was in will describe how I feel for the non-believers. The person speaking in first person has an established relationship with God, the other is an atheist. “If I was right about God, you could lose the chance to be in heaven, but if I was wrong, what do you have to lose?”
Pascal’s Wager is the worst.
“If I was right about God, you could lose the chance to be in heaven, but if I was wrong, what do you have to lose?”
That would work, assuming there’s only one belief system. By believing in your christian god you are disbelieving in a 1000 other gods – if it turns out Thor is the one true god, you’re just as screwed as an atheist. As Steven Roberts said, “we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do”.
Pascal’s wager (what you quoted at the end of your post if you didn’t realise) is pretty naive and fails to take into consideration that adherance to the laws of one belief system makes you a sinner in the eyes of others. Hell, maybe it’s safer to be an atheist – I’m sure the punishment for not believing in a God isn’t as bad as the punishment for believing in the wrong God
….Truth? Discovery? The furthering of the human race? The ability to learn and think freely and take in new knowledge about the world without seeing it all through the filter of religious dogma?
I think believing in god loses you a HELL of a lot.
Also, why is religion in quotes?
I am a Christian and proud of it. I want to address a few points here. First of all, yes most “Christians” are religious idiots who wouldn’t know Bible fact from their butt. The thing about us being made from stardust…personally I don’t know if that is true or not, but like it was said above, the Bible says we are made from dust so it doesn’t seem so far fetched to me (I don’t remember it saying what kind of dust). But that is just my opinion. Second: Jesus was hung from a cross, yes this form of punishment was common in that day. What set Jesus’ crucifixion apart was that, as the son of God, He took all our sins upon Himself that day. By doing this, He gave us freedom to approach God (before this only a priest could approach God with animal and grain sacrifices). Whether you believe the Bible as true or not, it is in there…take it how you want, that is one of the freedom’s Jesus gave us when He took on our sin.
STAR DUST FTW DAWG
umm……if jesus took all of our sins…then umm…no body,no matter what religion,sexual preference or etc. would ever go to hell.btw….animal sacrifices…hmm….another thing stolen from pagens…then bastardized later on by the church
this… guy… is… DUCKING… RETARDED.
We are made up of some basic elements, y’know, oxygen, carbon, silicon (some more than others), etc. people say that OUR theory of being alive doesn’t have conclusive proof? well. lets look at the facts.
*god* just SUPPOSEDLY popped outta nowhere, said, “screw it, imma make something outta nothing.” and then magically poofed an entire universe into existence? oh, what about the whole bible? some dude a while ago created it. coulda been as a joke. who knows. and because it was in a different language, we coulda just accidentally screwed up the translation, and it could just be a recipe for some amazing cupcakes. who knows. either way, neither of us have conclusive proof. but if people like this keep trying to shove the bible down my throat, im going to throw the bible at them and say “who says the bible never hurt anyone?”.
Ok, unless you have a theory I haven’t heard elsewhere, you have to believe that at some point in time SOMETHING popped out of nowhere.
That actually is not true. The theory behind creationism takes into account a lot of complex science. The Bible describes God as having always existed like a mathematical line; forward in time infinitely and backward infinitely. In short, given that the concepts of beginnings and ends, or segmential time exist only as a form for something that had a beginning to cope. It is human irrationality that creates this problem, but I’m digressing. Time is a concept that automatically comes into existence the moment there is something that is self aware. This means that nothing is subject to time. Therefore, if there is a God he is not subject to time. (Also, even in hypothetical situations where time is stopped, ‘time’ is not actually what has stopped.) In addition, it would be unlikely that God exists subject to any of the laws of our universe, considering the principle is that he created it. This is similar to how our world exists outside of cyberspace, because we created cyberspace. Furthermore, we have no idea what time is perceived as from the vantage point of a higher dimension. The principal behind God creating everything, save himself, means he would be subject to nothing he has created. Now, let’s go one step further and get the notion of a man-god out of our minds. What if the theoretical God is essentially the highest dimension(with sentience) or something similar; scientifically being the base of all of the cosmos and all of existence. Nevertheless, the principal behind God would require him to not be made of matter, energy or space. If space is similar to a computerchip, it means there is the possibility that there is much more outside our universe. If that is the case, there will be a completely different list of rules, outside our universe. Outside our universe what we consider ‘something popping out of nowhere’, could not be a normal occurrence or an illusion that would be explained from seeing it from another angle.
This isn’t taking science into account. This is word salad and bad extended metaphors trying to hijack actual science. The ability to use long words doesn’t make it science.
Absolutely right. Magical Santa Claus in the sky makes way more sense than science. This is why I became an atheist at the age of 5.
God. It took me 5 more years after that to become one.
…dear GOD!
smite this fool for not knowing a damn thing….about atoms!
the great carl sagan is right! we are made of star dust and is sometimes overwhelming to think something as isignificant as us is connected to the entire universe in this way
you know…back in the day if you heard voices you were “talking to god”…..today if you did the same thing you’d get pills…a nice, new, very tight jacket and about 12,000 volts straight to the brain every day for the rest of your life.hmm……makes you think “is that cerial killer who has gone from room to room in my house killing every member of my family really talking to god or is he just nuts?”.seriously though…if you believe the crap in the bible then you would also be the same tard letting those kind of people walk free
I got some hunting to do
THIS is why i hate religion. people refuse to believe things that have been proven. its like saying you dont believe in gravity, which has been proven, and then falling flat on your face because you tripped.
this says to read the bible BUT in the bible it says we start out as dust and return to dust
I believe in God and I believe in science. I believe that the description of creation in Genesis is a very, very condensed summary of what actually happened, designed for the simpletons. If it wasn’t for God, I would say that people this ignorant should have their tongues cut out and be banned from doing anything other than donating organs, but that would be very unkind and inhumane of me.
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
gods not real.
UMAD BRO?!
Be nice!
I think this post made me more atheist than I already was.
inb4 absurdly long religious argument!
Oh wait… crap.
Technically, (and, believe me – I’m Catholic) the stories of creation are just that – stories. They were thought of by the writers of the Old Testament to explain things before they could study things further and find out what really happened.
Yeah.
Lies: I have read the bible twice, it hasn’t helped at all. Just made me want to try putting spotted things everywhere to see if I can form a group of spotted squirrels.
I’m in! I’ll bring a blowtorch and a pair of nippers.
you might get foot cancer from HPV
No matter how many times I look at your post, it still says “lick”
What are you babbling about? You can be book smart and common sense stupid. There is more than one way to be stupid.
If this was real life, your post would be about as random as someone walking into a cafe, juggling some chainsaws, then walking out again.
Go hit puberty then talk kid.
Heh. “My new computer doesn’t have spellcheck built in”. Classic . You best go get a spellcheck card and bring it in so your mommy can pay the man to install it with hard anal sex.
But not awesome.
^this