Bleach guzzling galore, f-!-rst @merican blah blah, some insults, some lols, 99% completely off-topic comments, 1% n00bs or “normal” people posting on topic, Dan hits on 55 year old fat sweaty Jibble pretending to be various girls (teehee!), asdfsadfddff bites on obvious Jibble troll bait (how embarrassing!!!), teh d00che makes a late in the day but BOMBASTIC appearance – wow… uh, people comment… let’s see here. Oh, and a final note – cebuspoop thinks this is all a big NSF experiment. I concur. The mods are in on it, man! Well I won’t be played with like a lab rat! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! PROJECT MAYHEM DAY 2, B!TCHES!!! STARTS… NOW!
Dan, I think it’s time for an intervention, we think you have a disorder called Pineal Entropic Rhinodial Vascular European Rice Tightness (P.E.R.V.E.R.T.) Please Dan, it’s affecting you in ways you don’t understand, and will cause you to only have short lasting, non-rich relationships. Please, just consider your problem as a medical disorder like you should, and go see a doctor.
I used to have a link to my blog? I can’t recall… You know, fail.book kidnapped me and erased my memory (I do, however, remember that fact), I guess they took the link to my blog too… And I’m pretty sure they impregnated me with little fail.bookers.
yes it was a link in your username. maybe only when you’re logged in to wordpress. when i do that the link to my generic wordpress account (i created to change my “gravatar”) appears in my name.
So how fast does time pass on the Net? cause its getting kindy awkward in here since these “girls” showed up….what with ppl talkin all mushy…..its just not right…..
1)prove that you are a woman
2)TOGTFO
3)Y u no man?
4)gur
5)gle
*does the Creep awkwardly while in his house alone naked with all the windows open*
(don’t worry, I live in a house that’s behind other houses and isn’t directly visible to the street)
Unless the deductions and time out durations are increased beyond the rate at which one naturally builds up a tolerance, in which case, it hurts -every- time.
TEH bo- j.j.j.janglezzzz (not drongo or jibble or dan or mf or lola or skyman or teh n00b or billy or ceebuspoop or eric or rango or dinoswgun or lola or torch or ......ummmmm) *bleachswig* says:
Some chick professed her love for Janglez above all others so he had it engraved ad verbatim onto a bigass gangsta pendant, and now he wears it on his chain like a boss.
…they tease one another
Take pride in themselves
Keeping the other one down
Well I’m not like that at all
Some people they hurt one another
They love to see
Hurt in the other one’s eyes
Well I’m not like that at all
Some people are born for each other
They love to walk
Holding the other one’s hand
They always understand
Some people cry
Some people know why
Oh ah ah
Some people they use one another
So aimlessly
Not like lovers do
Well I’m not like that all
Some people they long for each other
They love to talk
Holding the other one’s hand
They always understand
Some people cry
Some people know why
With a word unspoken
With a voice unheard
When a thought is broken
By a tender word
When a heart is moved
When a heart is thrown
The silence tells you
You’re not alone
Some people are born for each other …
(Some people are born for each other)
They love to walk holding the other one
(Some people they long for each other)
They love to talk holding the other one
(Some people are born for each other)
They love to walk holding the other one
Holding the other one
Holding each other
+1000 internetz to Courtney for that call-out. It’s always the ones who get self-righteous, who end up having a few of these marks on their own record.
It’s kind of a toss-up as to what is more likely to get someone on this site- vanity, stupidity, or self-righteousness. They’re all good, all the time!
Oh my! Not Only is Kyle a hypocrite but someone should let him in on a little secret. Homosexuality ≠ Pedophilia. Homosexuality = Consenting Adults. Pedophilia = Abuse of a minor.
Homosexual men also have much lower rates of paedophilia than straight men. Homosexuals tend to be attracted to more masculine qualities (obviously) whereas straight men tend to be more attracted to feminine qualities. Pre-pubescent males and females often have a more feminine appearance so paedophilia is more likely to occur in straight men (I’m not dissing straight men by the way).
Homosexuality and pedophilia may not have the same earthly consequences, but both are sexual perversions. To pervert something means to change it from its intended purpose. We can look at sex and see that it was intended for a man and a woman (I mean, it fits together like a puzzle piece).
So no more anal, oral, in the shower, outside, doggy style, multiple partners, condoms, etc. Because sex is clearly ment for reproduction and nothing else? If this is your viewpoint, then you are a sad little man and need to be exterminated.
I love you Seiche.. I think you might be my Soul Mate!
I literally can not stand to listen to people when they “have an opinion” on something that they literally know nothing about. ESPECIALLY when you know they are just carrying the torch (no pun intended Torchrain) for their equally ignorant parents.
eh, anyone who claims to have a personal pipeline to God goes beyond ‘typical conservative’ territory. that’s more thorazine, tinfoil helmets, and “i love me” jacket territory.
I don’t normally defend conservatives, but I do know several conservatives who aren’t homophobic freaks like Kyle. There are plenty like Kyle, but it’s not fair to generalize.
The difference between gays and pedophiles is immense. Firstly, it’s not a crime to be gay. Secondly, legal aspects aside, a gay person has consent from their partner. A pedophile does not, because a child cannot give consent. Thirdly, this is a stupid comparison anyway. It’s clear he’s a religious zealot. Maybe he should be criticizing the priests that are all pedos.
Also another thing sexuality and fetishes are a completely different thing, paedophilia is simply a fetish and what’s wrong with it is that the paedophiles that DO pursue there sexual desires can cause irreversible mental (and sometimes physical) damage on a child and their family whereas sex between two consenting partners of any sexuality and gender does not.
Add to that, and I try to pound this into the heads of my homophobic counterparts… Just like we “breeders”, homosexual relationships aren’t always defined by “SEX”. Those who are against it spend so much time worrying about what they do behind closed doors that they tend to forget that they’re generally just as human as they pose.
Thank you. Holy frick. There’s a difference between screwing someone who wants it and has a fully developed brain and screwing someone in middle school. This is a pretty sh-t argument, but it made for a good laugh.
The frontal cortex catches up to the rest of the brain around 21 (important as reasoning skills finally reach a level of development equal to emotions), but the brain finishes completely around 25.
on a complete unrelated sitenote: there is absolutely no reference to homosexuality in the bible. (only old testament and you can just delete that one)
Except that the zealots often like to quote the Old Testament when it suits them. But when you point out things it says about slavery, not wearing clothes made out of 2 different fabrics, etc. they suddenly do a 180 and say “Oook… nooo…. this part doesn’t apply anymore!”
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 [ESV]
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind”
21st century KJV 1 Corinthians 6:9
So ya 1 Corinthians 6 only mentions homosexuality in newer translations, older mention effeminate but not homosexuality specifically. Also note that in this passage it does not condemn these acts as evil or damning, but rather that they will not go to heaven, and it also, despite you citing verse 11 you left it out… let me put it back in for you shall I.
“And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God. ”
In other words even those that commit these acts can still enter the kingdom of heaven if they repent and get baptized.
don’t be so mean, people! remember, anti-gay bullies are gay people too!
…seriously, how kinky do you have to be to actually fire one out with a crowd watching in a parking lot? someone give me kyle’s number when he finally comes out. he’s going to be FREAKY DEAKY.
I know it is. However some people are saying the difference between pedophile sex and gay sex is consent. Well, there are many more differences, but I found it curious everyone thinks THAT’S the big difference.
Because “pedophile” automatically equals “child abuser.” It’s possible to be attracted to children without actually having sex with them.
I’m not trying to compare homosexuality and pedophilia, but I do believe that in the same way that people do not choose to be homosexuals, most people do not make a conscious decision to become sexually attracted to children.
That being said, I do believe that pedophilia is a mental disorder and I think that pedophiles should be treated as such, rather than being labeled as criminals.
I shouldn’t even be reading this, let alone be talking to you, but you have it backwards… I used to be a morbidly obtuse octagon. I’ve taken VERY reasonable steps towards getting into healthy shape, but you triangles… It’s a wonder how you even function with so little surface area on your avarars… I’ve given up trying to reason with your kind over the abundant health issues, mental and otherwise, that this “cult”-like blind enthusiasm generates.
It’s probably true that it’s a mental disorder, but being treated unfortunately won’t help in any way. Just as gay and straight people can’t be treated to change their sexuality, pedophiles can’t be treated to change theirs either. The only thing left to do is to lock them up after they’ve commited their crimes to keep them off the streets.
Debatable, arguably you could recondition someone’s sexuality using classical or operant conditioning. Whether it will last forever or if the effects wear off is another question. Also whether it is ethical to do so is completely another subject, which in our free and modern societies it clearly isn’t.
There are medicines that they can take and some people have supposedly been able to treat them. I think the medicine works the best, though. When they take it. Making people who have mental disorders take medicine is HARD.
I know, I wasn’t saying that they were the same. All I’m saying is that in the same way that people do not choose to be homosexual, people do not choose to be pedophiles.
Anyone who claims that anything is wrong because GOD says so, can take thier God and shove it up thier @$$. Irresponsible demonization bull5h1t. The bible has undergone hundreds of translations of thousands of years, has been appended to included lots of material that was NOT in the oldest versions…HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU SHEEP NEED?!?!? Following the bible as you way of life is like making Star Wars your religion- they are BOTH FICTION.
You don’t need to be a bible-beating @$$hole to know the difference between right and wrong or how to live a good life. You do however, to point fingers and tell everyone else they’re wrong, bad people. Which s anti-Christian because any intelligent religious individual knows that judgement is reserved for God and ONLY God.
AM, which parts of the Bible are you referring to? The Bible is one old book that we have thousands of older manuscripts of, in Greek and Hebrew (the written languages of Hellenistic parts of the Roman Empire where the books which make up the Bible were written). It seems that you are saying that we can’t rely on anything in the Bible because there are some translation issues and inconsistencies. But if that is the standard, we can’t rely on anything from that long ago at all. Is that really the conclusion you want to draw? If so, we basically are saying that all of classical history is completely bogus. That doesn’t really seem fair because we have all of these old buildings and art and traditions from back then that seem to say that the history wasn’t made up (for instance, have you ever been to Rome?). The point I’m making is that your objection to the Bible really is something more than its accuracy. You need to be honest with yourself on this: you object to its message, plain and simple. And you should be asking yourself why.
I take issue with the bible’s “accuracy” in the sense that there are words and phrases in the original languages which are not clearly understood, but we infer likely meanings from regardless. Wouldn’t be a problem for most historical sources except that religion relentlessly attempts to control social doctrines with it.
Oh there’s countless more reasons to not give the bible any more credit than, say, the quran (take that however you want). Logic, for all the good it does on the internet, dictates that an all-powerful and yet simultaneously All-good being cannot exist (problem of evil, and no, saying that condition X was necessary for god to bring about the supposedly desirable but otherwise unattainable results Y and Z negates his supposed omnipotence).
There’s no quantifiable proof a spirit world exists, and personal mystical/devine experiences are both highly subjective and evident in far more religions than Christianity. It is the pinnacle of pride and ignorance to assert, “we’re right; they’re wrong” when the only standard one goes by is a book which claims of itself to be inspired by god and therefore completely true. Circular reasoning is circular.
As for lack of clarity, try Song of Solomon… Depending on how biased the source, you’ll see there’s enough ambiguity surrounding the king’s lover to cast doubt on her even being a her to begin with.
And “heart of hearts”?? The heart is a blood-pumping muscle, and does not possess a heart of its own. You’re referring to my brain, but you Christians always seem to find poetic, cheesy ways to lose touch with the common language. It’s pretentious. Cut it out.
Lots of stuff in your reply, but most of it is just changing the subject.
Re: Quran; we weren’t talking about it.
Re: existance of evil; not an argument against an all-powerful creator: you can’t have free will if people weren’t given the choice to do bad things. God could have created robots but decided not to. We could have a debate on why but what’s the point: we know we are able to make good or bad choices just from being here.
Re: no proof of spiritual world; this is a problem of apples and oranges. How do you know that there is only the physical world? We can’t prove there is no spiritual world on the basis that there isn’t evidence in the physical world unless you make the assumption that the spiritual world is subject to the same laws as the physical world. We should we make this assumption? We have no basis to do so.
Re: Song of Solomon; I don’t understand what you are saying here. The Bible is a collection of writings and there is plenty of analysis that has been done over the years and I haven’t heard that theory, but will take a look. Lots of people with various motives have written about all sorts of aspects of the Bible so I’m not surprised that I haven’t heard of this.
Re: heart of hearts; I guess I should have said “deep down” or “at the end of the day” or something else. I still think the point stands that the objection is something more than just the evidence alone.
And another thing, you seem bent on turning critical thinking about the bible, rather than strict adherence to it, into an avoidance of you must feel is the “real” issue, that being a discomfort with its message (I’m assuming mainly salvation).
That’s not generally the case. You have to understand, the bible is @ss loads of fun for “unbelievers”. As Isaac Asimov put it, “properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” Most thinking people’s objection with the bible is how it too easily serves as a platform for bigotry, division and hate (which is a bloody shame considering its potential for good), and not so much against grace and redemption.
Aside: I think you’ve got a lot of good points up in the discussion above. I had a lot of the same concerns for years. But after thinking through a lot of the issues I was able to believe.
Re: salvation. The message is not just one of salvation: it is of judgment and salvation. The key thing is that all of us are in the same boat. We have been born into a world where we are subject to our own selfish desires. We are fundamentally opposed to God. On our own we are separate from God and will continue to separate ourselves from him. Luckily, God loved humankind so much that he provided us another way.
Re: Asimov; lots of folks have said similar things. I remember somebody said they didn’t want to make any more enemies when approached by a clergyman pleading for a deathbed conversion. The point is who cares what everybody else thinks; this is your life; and everybody has to come to grips with the fact that we only get one chance, and that the mortality rate of every generation is 100 per cent.
Re: bigotry, hate, other bad things people have done in name of Christianity. One thing we all need to think about is what is a Christian? I mean is somebody a Christian just because they have one of those fish bumper stickers? Because they say they are? In reality, nothing is black and white. How can you know the inner condition of somebody’s spiritual life?
At any given moment there are people joining the faith and departing from it. The point is, it doesn’t make sense to judge the faith by looking at people who appear to be poorly implementing it. (Would you judge the status of basketball in the world by looking at the B team in a small town high school?) People who do bad things in the name of Christianity aren’t fooling anybody. Jesus said “Ye shall know them by their fruits” — that we know if somebody is a believer by the change in their life, not by what they say.
I mention the quron as a comparison to another historical work of literature people have gone through extraordinary lengths to study and understand. It draws attention to the issue of mutually exclusive claims regarding what is true and what we must believe in order to avoid one bad eternal outcome or another.
The problem of evil stands because even the bible talks of angels having free will (hence how Lucifer was ever able to fall from grace in the first place). And what happens when a believer dies and goes to heaven? No more free will? No, god is perfectly capable of allowing genuine choice to exist independent of death and suffering, otherwise, he either sacrifices true omnipotence while meaning well, or he’s an all-powerful @sshole
If you want to believe in a spirit world when there’s no concrete evidence for it, be my guest. But as for why we should revere the physical world as a golden standard of sorts, it’s because virtually no one seriously doubts the existence of a physical reality. It’s one of the only things virtually eveyone can agree on. If only “most” of us could see oak trees, for example, then maybe we’d have reason to question it. The spiritual world is observes by relatively few, and the experiences people have are almost exclusively the product of their surrounding culture. I don’t place much stalk in any of it being actual glimpses into an actual spirit realm. Why should I?
The concept of salvation, if taken to mean a spiritually-insightful means of overcoming destructive influences in our lives, is a wonderful tool for good, despite going about it in a sideways fashion, but repentance is convoluted. There are too many things the bible labels as sin for people to live even just half an hour (for some people, 30 seconds, not even) of their lives without fvcking something up and requiring god’s forgiveness for. And to stand judgement for it if we dont? I’m sorry, but that’s no way to live. It may not be on the forefront of most Christian’s minds because the focus is supposed to be “relationship with god” rather than fear of him, but it’s a brute, inexplicable fact of religion (not faith) that we require saving and are doomed for eternity if we reject it. In my view, that is quite possibly one of the most harmful belief systems ever devised.
For the most part, I see Christians as being no different than me. The bad ones get a rightfully-earned bad rep for taking the worst parts of scripture and running with them. The rest tend to get a bad rep because they have a reputation as a representative of Christ to uphold, and everyone’s eyes are on them to see it they’ll fvck up. In the later case, it’s hardly fair, but they tend to do just fine. As for a collection of people being judged for a handful of idiots who get a lot more attention? Lol that’s life, but the good news is that a thinking person won’t judge many on the actions of few. Anyone who does isn’t worth worrying over. That being said, bigotry and hate ought to be combated anywhere and everywhere it appears.
You also make some good points. It’s encouraging talking to Christians who actually know why they believe what they do. It shows capacity for critical thinking, even if I highly disagree which many of the conclusions you’ve reached lol
The discussion above touches on some deep theological issues that have been discussed for centuries. I wish that all thinking people would actually take the time to learn about the issues. Since we only have one shot at life, it is somewhat disheartening that many people seem to take a “why bother” stance, when in the end this is actually a risky position. Inaction is usually a conservative approach in other areas of life, but it isn’t here. If people don’t take a stance while alive, they are making a choice too. Will they get another chance later if they were wrong?
Okay now on to some of the points you raised above.
Re: Quran; I haven’t examined it in detail, but you raise a good point about mutual exclusivity. In fact, it highlights a key issue in today’s society. Lots of people say things like there is more than one path to heaven or that all religions are the same at the core. But that can’t really be case, can it? In Christianity, Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. Well it this statement is true, then you are right, it is the only way and the claims of Christianity and Islam are mutually exclusive. Then where does that leave us? Well let’s be practical. We can only examine the claims of Christianity and decide whether to believe them or not. It doesn’t make sense to conclude that there is no truth just because two reglions have made different claims about what the truth is. The only sensible way is to look at the claims and decide for yourself.
Re: angels and free will; I thought this was a very interesting point. I actually decided to buy a book on theology because I really hadn’t thought about the question before. But here is what I think about the subject (my view before looking at the book I purchased). Nothing I said above on free will is contradicted by the story of Lucifer. God has created humans with free will, enabling them to do both good and bad. It seems that the celestial beings also have free will: Lucifer had the ability to reject God as well. Now you are right, where the problem comes in is what type of place is heaven if even the angels can reject God? I admit that it is difficult to conceptualize the nature of heaven. This is probably because we live in the physical realm and have to rely on accounts that were written thousands of years ago. I will need to read more about this to see if what I have said here holds up. In any event, I think it is fair to say that this issue is fairly academic though. I have not heard anybody say this was the main stumbling block to belief, but it is an interesting issue, and I’m sure a lot of people have discussed it before.
The Bible, which by the way is capitalized, is real. Star Wars is fiction but many of the things in the Bible did happen. Or are you trying to say the Hebrews were never enslaved in Egypt? Or that Ceasar was never emperor of Rome? There is more truth in there than you think.
And by the way we do know that judgement is reserved for God so not all of us point fingers like you seem to be doing.
Judgment, as referred to in the Bible, means something more than “being judgmental” as we see the meaning of the word today. It is speaking of a judgment on the basis of authority. We don’t have this authority as people to make a judgment to condemn others as God does. Does it mean that we can’t point out to our fellow human beings that they are doing something that is contrary to the clear instructions of God in scripture? Of course not. That would mean that we are not subject to any standards at all, which is contrary to what Jesus taught. The fact is that most of us don’t want others to tell us what to do, which is at core of human being. We think we are free to do as we please, in accordance to our own will. But this is a false way of thinking. We aren’t really free until we have the truth. Through Jesus we are able to truly be free. If you don’t believe me, look at every cliche rich celebrity going from bender to bender, woman to woman. This is a search for something out there that they will never really find by looking within. The truth is outside of the self. It doesn’t come from within the world, but from outside of the world.
Only if you believe a fanciful, non-historical version of history. All of the early universities were established by the church; lots of the key developments were made by clergymen such as Kepler and others. There is actually a ton of information out there on this. A good book with several chapters on this subject (including on the Spanish Inquisition and other historical events that are typically lumped in with this issue): “What’s so Great about Christianity?” by Dinnesh D’souza.
What is your basis for this claim? What do you believe the stagnation of the middle ages was caused by?
I am going to assume you believe religion caused the stagnation of the middle ages. Could you back this up? What if I told you I could back up that it is religion and religious debate that brought man out of the so called “dark ages” and brought about the industrial revolution.
“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
“This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
i often quote the bible in my comments and they keep getting removed by the moderator. All I want is to preach the word of god. If he tells us it’s ok to kidnap and r4pe underage girls, why cant we? All you have to do to make it legit is either kill their fathers OR pay them 50 shekels(bargain) and marry the girl(always a catch).
For everyone saying gays are bad, does homosexuality usually violate the rights of a human being? no. For example, the other person usually has a choice whether they want to be gay. So its not evil at all. Pedophilia, however, violates rights. Do you think the kid has a say in what’s happening? no, i dont think so. And first of all, they’re UNDERAGE.
All this shows me is that alcohol makes you do things as bad as being a pedo. And if he is not getting drunk anymore then he is ok. So yes it was rude of her to bring it up. And if we are going on the “don’t cast the first stone” she probably can’t call him out. Actually nobody can call him out because we all have done bad things and sinned.
As far as being gay goes I’m not for it but calling them as evil as pedos seems a bit harsh.
Ah, pedophiles – foot lovers. You Americans really ought to be more worried about paedophiles, you seem to care more about people with foot fetishes than people who molest children
The fact that the Bible doesn’t mention anything at all regarding pedophilia has apparently escaped OP’s notice. Even worse, the Bible condones marriage (and sex) with Girls as young as 12 and boys as young as 13. They are considered adults according to the Bible at that age.
Sure, let’s cast away man’s ideas and adopt God’s. Sex with 13-year-olds for all.
Hmm, let’s see… so quick recap of yesterday:
Bleach guzzling galore, f-!-rst @merican blah blah, some insults, some lols, 99% completely off-topic comments, 1% n00bs or “normal” people posting on topic, Dan hits on 55 year old fat sweaty Jibble pretending to be various girls (teehee!), asdfsadfddff bites on obvious Jibble troll bait (how embarrassing!!!), teh d00che makes a late in the day but BOMBASTIC appearance – wow… uh, people comment… let’s see here. Oh, and a final note – cebuspoop thinks this is all a big NSF experiment. I concur. The mods are in on it, man! Well I won’t be played with like a lab rat! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! PROJECT MAYHEM DAY 2, B!TCHES!!! STARTS… NOW!
FIRST AMERICAN SAMMICH!
REPLY TO THIS, BEYOTCH!
No.
You are a token zebra, your argument is invalid.
zebra; So there.
Wooo!
Sr. Pinheiro?
WHAT IS AN AT FOR?
OR IS IT MAY THAT FOR AT?
ME SORRY, ME NO ENGLISH SPKN VERY YES, IS 18TH LANUAGE.
Diga, Sr. Coelho.
I own a zebra?*convo. partner disconnection* wow I should prolly feed it or sumtin :/
You are a mandrill. Your argument is invalid.
Curses!
I would’ve gotten away with it, if it wasn’t for those darn kids!
TOTALLY
I’m replying to this, Beyotch..
Watch it, Beyotch……………………….I mean Adultress…………………………………
I’m watching it, but.it’s not doing anything… What went wrong??
DAN.
BOOYEAUGH.
Drop names outside the club, Lawerence, not in the comments.
Heyyyyy Sky! Where have you been?!
I didn’t bit on it, I was just pointing out the obvious. Wh…Why don’t you believe me??? *bursts into tears*
*bite
THAT’s embarrassing.
Also, Lola, you’ve probably noticed that I’ve had plastic surgery so now I look like Bob Dylan. Does that make you reconsider?
Serious time: You read my mind, dude! I was just noticing you changed your appearance.
Not so serious time: I thought it gave you such an emo look.
Do I look emo? : /
Yes, so much so it is depressing.
Only when he looks like this : /
Yes or this : /
Cheer up asdasdafasdfasfdf :[
LOVE
No more emo then my pic..
You look like Mulan.
Thanks I think…..?
isn’t mulan chinese? you don’t look chinese, you look western. english?
Heyyyy Seiche! How are ya?
great! i was already saying hi to you on this other thread but it got moderated … grrr
so amirite? are you english?
I speaks the 3ngrish..lol
I’m actually italian and french.. but I live in the States!
<3
I’m not Italian.. I just read my reply to you and said “WTF??” I’m irish and French.. I think someone possessed my body and typed that..
Still <3 me?
i was wondering, you didn’t look italian on the pictures. you kinda have that british look (i know ireland isn’t really british)
So… The fact that she *talking about A like she can’t hear* might be possessed doesn’t phase you in the slightest, Seiche? o.0
E-FAILBOOK, THE DATING SITE FOR COMPLETE STRANGERS.
All dating sites are for complete strangers…
Good point Cadi!
Wouldn’t that be goth?
Ugh… I used too know this stuff.
yeah no tears and sh!t
omg! Seiche! You around here <3
Lol.. I’m out of the loop too. I guess it’s goth?! idk
I think you still goth it!
Hello, Pun Police? I’d like to make a citizen’s arrest…
Who would you like to arrest, citizen Dan?
I need arrest, Lola’s practically worn me out. My glutes are gonna be sore for days.
THE FACT
Coolone, Dan is MORE than a citizen! He’s the Head of WIN!
Dan, I think it’s time for an intervention, we think you have a disorder called Pineal Entropic Rhinodial Vascular European Rice Tightness (P.E.R.V.E.R.T.) Please Dan, it’s affecting you in ways you don’t understand, and will cause you to only have short lasting, non-rich relationships. Please, just consider your problem as a medical disorder like you should, and go see a doctor.
-Sincerely, Failbook.
‘European Rice Tightness’ made me lol.
what do you mean? because I comment on your blog? i was here first though, you used to have the link in your name, remember?
…thinks one of you is Miss Communicating.
or both are Miss Communicating..
yes communication is important, especially here, that’s why i founded the Miss Communicating Pagean.
btw: i was simply replying to lola
I used to have a link to my blog? I can’t recall… You know, fail.book kidnapped me and erased my memory (I do, however, remember that fact), I guess they took the link to my blog too… And I’m pretty sure they impregnated me with little fail.bookers.
yes it was a link in your username. maybe only when you’re logged in to wordpress. when i do that the link to my generic wordpress account (i created to change my “gravatar”) appears in my name.
Bastardos!
how do you think I know about it otherwise?
Yes.. I was- I was joking… Of course I remember *tears*
I can’t comment on my WordPress account anymore *more tears*
SI! Encontré tu blog, Lolita. Ahora hablaré para ti en portuñol, ni portugues, ni español. Asi sera solamente entre nosotras : )
pinche wey
Do I look like a foot?
Nah, you look like you’re blind ’cause you looked directly into the sun.
U MAD?
lolwut?
yes?
Whoa.
Yes?
NO!
So how fast does time pass on the Net? cause its getting kindy awkward in here since these “girls” showed up….what with ppl talkin all mushy…..its just not right…..
1)prove that you are a woman
2)TOGTFO
3)Y u no man?
4)gur
5)gle
that is all for now…..
moderated like a beandippin g-6
LIKE A LIKE A G6
THAT FAILBOOK
don’t you mean G3 Dan? >.>
*BIG HUGS TO BO*
1) read my name, very feminine
2) look at my pic, see my b00bs?
3) I can be either, really
4,5) gurgle gurgle!
The talkin all mushy… the virgin/girlfriendless dudes… it’s gettin creepy in here!
*does the Creep awkwardly while in his house alone naked with all the windows open*
(don’t worry, I live in a house that’s behind other houses and isn’t directly visible to the street)
I’m surrounded by amateurs ē_ē
Yay! I posted on topic! I feel so special.
-100 internetz, and you have to sit in the dunce chair for 15 minutes.
Awww.
*pats shoulder* The first time is always the toughest.
What do you know about your first time? You never got the dunce!
Unless the deductions and time out durations are increased beyond the rate at which one naturally builds up a tolerance, in which case, it hurts -every- time.
Oh sh!t… I just logic’d on Failbook…
*explodes in logic plume*
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!The fack? LOL I H4X0R3D MODERASHONZ!
I KILLED KENNY!DAYUM!*m0d3r4sh0nZ
Oh and inb4 lunatic arguments about g@y stuff. Sigh…
P.S. Kyle’s a major d0uche. There, I started it.
Oh no you DI’INT!
Darth did. Sort of.
Jibble.. your new pic is hawt.
Who is that sexeh beast?
Oh, it’s Jibjibs.
Beast is right..
No offense Jibs
(I’d only be offended if you thought that was actually me.)
Lol.. aww. I dont think it’s actually you.
He’s gained weight since that picture was taken.
Pshh.. whatev Dan!
It’s true! I’ve overcome my anorexia.
AND WE’RE ALL VERY PROUD OF YOU
Have a piece of celebratory cake! Quite the achievement.
HAS NOW
WHAT ARE YOU DOING? NEVER GIVE JIBBLE CAKE! ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS PUDDING IN IT!
What can I say, I’m a trouble maker?
why whould you take it out on somebody’s car in front of other people?
God told him to do it. Nomine patre et fili et spiritus sancti, B!TCHES!
I am filled with the Holy Ghost! oh wait- that’s just semen.
*seamen
C-man
X-men
XXX Girls! Girls! Girls!
pudding
BECOME
FACEBOOK.
Failbook
Failtriangle
A-woman
…..ly be better…..whew. saved that one
Wow you even named me in your name ….
I am so proud *-*
Some chick professed her love for Janglez above all others so he had it engraved ad verbatim onto a bigass gangsta pendant, and now he wears it on his chain like a boss.
I like you.
steeldungeeteet
Scheidungskind
Scheißhausfliege
Some people…
…they tease one another
Take pride in themselves
Keeping the other one down
Well I’m not like that at all
Some people they hurt one another
They love to see
Hurt in the other one’s eyes
Well I’m not like that at all
Some people are born for each other
They love to walk
Holding the other one’s hand
They always understand
Some people cry
Some people know why
Oh ah ah
Some people they use one another
So aimlessly
Not like lovers do
Well I’m not like that all
Some people they long for each other
They love to talk
Holding the other one’s hand
They always understand
Some people cry
Some people know why
With a word unspoken
With a voice unheard
When a thought is broken
By a tender word
When a heart is moved
When a heart is thrown
The silence tells you
You’re not alone
Some people are born for each other …
(Some people are born for each other)
They love to walk holding the other one
(Some people they long for each other)
They love to talk holding the other one
(Some people are born for each other)
They love to walk holding the other one
Holding the other one
Holding each other
eyeseawutudeedter
tb;dr
ts;dr
sorry?
Too mainstream;dr
SORRY I AM SO SORRY!
Apologizes too much;dr
The irony of your winning upon your quitting.
I am so amused by how your avatar appears to laugh when I scroll up or down lol ahhh pixles… you get me every time
I SEE DEAD PIXELS!
CAN YOU HAS THE ABILITIES TO SEE?
heheh
This has gotten stupid.
Random unnecessary comment is random unnecessary.
+1000 internetz to Courtney for that call-out. It’s always the ones who get self-righteous, who end up having a few of these marks on their own record.
It’s kind of a toss-up as to what is more likely to get someone on this site- vanity, stupidity, or self-righteousness. They’re all good, all the time!
All humans are idiots. It’s just the ones that deny it that end up on this site.
I’m not, and I’m here. oh. wait.
^proof
by Coldplay
Actually I don’t think she deserves anything. We all have “marks on our record” so she is in no position to call him out, nobody is.
Who hasnt done that though?
Oh my! Not Only is Kyle a hypocrite but someone should let him in on a little secret. Homosexuality ≠ Pedophilia. Homosexuality = Consenting Adults. Pedophilia = Abuse of a minor.
Homosexual men also have much lower rates of paedophilia than straight men. Homosexuals tend to be attracted to more masculine qualities (obviously) whereas straight men tend to be more attracted to feminine qualities. Pre-pubescent males and females often have a more feminine appearance so paedophilia is more likely to occur in straight men (I’m not dissing straight men by the way).
Homosexuality and pedophilia may not have the same earthly consequences, but both are sexual perversions. To pervert something means to change it from its intended purpose. We can look at sex and see that it was intended for a man and a woman (I mean, it fits together like a puzzle piece).
Couldn’t you say the same thing for fellatio?
So no more anal, oral, in the shower, outside, doggy style, multiple partners, condoms, etc. Because sex is clearly ment for reproduction and nothing else? If this is your viewpoint, then you are a sad little man and need to be exterminated.
Yeah cause giving the right to homosexuals to get married is the same as giving the right to pedos to molest children…
Kyle is sick.
I agree
me too,
kyle seems like a typical conservative d00che, rehashing what he has probably heard from his parents.
because consensual love is the same as molesting little children that can’t defend themselves -_- what an !diot
I love you Seiche.. I think you might be my Soul Mate!
I literally can not stand to listen to people when they “have an opinion” on something that they literally know nothing about. ESPECIALLY when you know they are just carrying the torch (no pun intended Torchrain) for their equally ignorant parents.
Marry me??
*blush*
Seiche.. you’re gonna just leave me hanging on my proposal??
Heavy sigh
noo, the answer is yes!
can we live in a nice little shared apartment / commune with lola and sweetcadi in san fran?
Can I join?
*wink*
*wank*
You’ll just have to pay for my plain ticket from this side of the world : P
oh dear… plane!
I would have to pay for my own plane ticket from this side of the world : )
where do you live? I don’t know if i would want to live in the states, they have horrible washing machines.
Portugal : )
ah there it is!!! ; )
moderated… must be the smiley face grrr
ok whatever
“noo, the answer is yes! : )
can we live in a nice little shared apartment / commune with lola and sweetcadi in san fran?”
Hmm.. I’ll have to think about that. I can handle sharing you with one.. but I dont know about both. ; )
how about i let you pick the second one? : )
ME ME ME!
Take me, I have a gun
Take me … I have a gun ^^
(d4mn m0der@tion-h3ll)
fvck I would love to live with a dinosaur, especially if he has a gun!! : D
Yaay I won
eh, anyone who claims to have a personal pipeline to God goes beyond ‘typical conservative’ territory. that’s more thorazine, tinfoil helmets, and “i love me” jacket territory.
Lol.. I love this description!!
Fan-fricken tastic.
htt p://tinyurl.com/68vkcz7
What? Well *I* happen to have a personal pipeline to God! But how did you know about my tinfoil helmet?
Oops. Wrong name. :/
WHO ARE YOU!?!?
I’m sorry, but that’s classified information.
Ah those were the days…
I don’t normally defend conservatives, but I do know several conservatives who aren’t homophobic freaks like Kyle. There are plenty like Kyle, but it’s not fair to generalize.
He’s a zealot. He cannot be reasoned with. Sadly he has a vote.
I concur
I rancor.
I occur.
(NOT!)
Sneaky lil ninja particle…
Star wars reference. how cool.
i go RAWR!
I racoon
@Darth, Everything after the first sentence was aimed to the general fail book populace not you.
The difference between gays and pedophiles is immense. Firstly, it’s not a crime to be gay. Secondly, legal aspects aside, a gay person has consent from their partner. A pedophile does not, because a child cannot give consent. Thirdly, this is a stupid comparison anyway. It’s clear he’s a religious zealot. Maybe he should be criticizing the priests that are all pedos.
Also another thing sexuality and fetishes are a completely different thing, paedophilia is simply a fetish and what’s wrong with it is that the paedophiles that DO pursue there sexual desires can cause irreversible mental (and sometimes physical) damage on a child and their family whereas sex between two consenting partners of any sexuality and gender does not.
That it harm none, do as thou wilt.
Add to that, and I try to pound this into the heads of my homophobic counterparts… Just like we “breeders”, homosexual relationships aren’t always defined by “SEX”. Those who are against it spend so much time worrying about what they do behind closed doors that they tend to forget that they’re generally just as human as they pose.
Us two breeders could define our relationship right now if you like. Doesn’t necessarily have to be behind closed doors
Can I watch?
…Tasha has to shoot me down in a burning ball of FAIL first… Wait for it…
No.
Whoot, there it is!
What about just me? Im much better then Dan
HEADSHOT
Well she still hasn’t yet…. Maybe she wants another girl to watch or join in.
I’m happy either way.
DAMN IT!
You can join in next time x
Promise?
‘course
Hi Dan : )
‘sup
*gasp* I’m surrounded by hetero-perversion!
Dan knows I absolutely love him.
<3
8==D
*bats eyelashes*
OHai!!!
True dat.
Thank you. Holy frick. There’s a difference between screwing someone who wants it and has a fully developed brain and screwing someone in middle school. This is a pretty sh-t argument, but it made for a good laugh.
A human being’s brain fully develops at about 25 years old.
I thought it was around 21. I’m sure its not as late as 25, but I could be wrong.
The frontal cortex catches up to the rest of the brain around 21 (important as reasoning skills finally reach a level of development equal to emotions), but the brain finishes completely around 25.
my ass is rawr
Your doctor can give you a cream for that.
So can I.
Gross !
Hi, we’re looking for Kyle.
He’s so high.
I’ve not seen Kyle, but I am so high right now -_-
The child protection agency are looking for Kyle.
He’s so high.
Moomin has anyone ever told you that you look a lot like the CPA?
You are wigging me out man. I am tripping balls.
If you clean up the balls, maybe you won’t trip on them, Mr. Messypants.
The balls are in my mind.
*mouth
Dirty mind… methinks the sentiment still stands.
Nobody cares what your imaginary friend says- homosexuality is not wrong.
It is a great testament to common sense that despite there being 74 comments on that retarded post, there is not a single like.
yay for ad hominem
*rad homo-men
*mad abdomen
Yeah, not being drunk makes the whole incident that much better… wait, no. It makes it much, much worse.
on a complete unrelated sitenote: there is absolutely no reference to homosexuality in the bible. (only old testament and you can just delete that one)
Except that the zealots often like to quote the Old Testament when it suits them. But when you point out things it says about slavery, not wearing clothes made out of 2 different fabrics, etc. they suddenly do a 180 and say “Oook… nooo…. this part doesn’t apply anymore!”
They like to cherry pick. It’s the only way they can maintain their beliefs without making them completely incompatible with society.
lodumbxtians
Die Zauberjude
*Flying Spaghetti Monster
why “Die”? were you going for plural?
He was going for the gun.
BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THE OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE
*Testie-ment
*testicle
*receptacle
Are you kidding? Romans chapter 1 + some verses in Corinthians. How could someone not know that?
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 [ESV]
Quoting the Bible = irrelevant.
It seems to me nobody wants to live in that kingdom anyway
To Ankh it is always Relevant. And to Bassik I know many people who want to live there.
Pick your translation …
www(dot)religioustolerance(dot)org/chr_sav1.htm
Peace to you all from a gay Christian
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind”
21st century KJV 1 Corinthians 6:9
So ya 1 Corinthians 6 only mentions homosexuality in newer translations, older mention effeminate but not homosexuality specifically. Also note that in this passage it does not condemn these acts as evil or damning, but rather that they will not go to heaven, and it also, despite you citing verse 11 you left it out… let me put it back in for you shall I.
“And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God. ”
In other words even those that commit these acts can still enter the kingdom of heaven if they repent and get baptized.
Another Christian bites the dust…
Age 17 and 364 days: “Derp derp derp!”
Age 18: “E = mc^2″
*INSPIREDLY AGGRESSIVE SLOW-CLAP*
Fail…
Anyway, pedophilia doesn’t count because it’s non-consensual whereas homosexuality is usually consensual.
Also: I saw this on Reddit.
don’t be so mean, people! remember, anti-gay bullies are gay people too!
…seriously, how kinky do you have to be to actually fire one out with a crowd watching in a parking lot? someone give me kyle’s number when he finally comes out. he’s going to be FREAKY DEAKY.
Been there…
He finally came out of the closet and is getting counseling. His number is 867-5309
Trick question time! What if an underage teen gives consent to a bearded 56 year old?
Ooooooooh…..
Anyways, yeah, even if you don’t like homosex, the cure to that is not to have homosex. That way your dad won’t be disappoint.
Um.
Eww.
That’s what.
too late for me. about the disappoint thing i mean. not- the other thing. crap. oh well, whatever, nevermind.
Underage teen can’t give consent, legally impossible.
ANOTHER DAY OF JUSTICE
I know it is. However some people are saying the difference between pedophile sex and gay sex is consent. Well, there are many more differences, but I found it curious everyone thinks THAT’S the big difference.
^ this
Bearded 56 year old? You talking about me???
*puts on blast shield*
^ you got your name wrong I correct you : *intolerance
Approval: I has it for this.
too late for me. about the disappoint thing. not- the other thing. crap. oh well, wvr, nvm.
what?
yum, wankers
You like eating Americans, don’t you, you stinky Brit!
Anybody openly acknowledged others’ accusation is a winner. I respect this Kyle guy.
This
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loses
*gasp* How you do dat?
Typical Straw Man argument. When logical reasoning fails, fallacies abound.
LOL
Why, thank you.
Because “pedophile” automatically equals “child abuser.” It’s possible to be attracted to children without actually having sex with them.
I’m not trying to compare homosexuality and pedophilia, but I do believe that in the same way that people do not choose to be homosexuals, most people do not make a conscious decision to become sexually attracted to children.
That being said, I do believe that pedophilia is a mental disorder and I think that pedophiles should be treated as such, rather than being labeled as criminals.
Well, at least you’re not a triangle, cause this’d be reeaal awkward if you were (and not because of your argument, either)
I do not understand your triangle reference.
Are you being shapist against triangles now? I bet secretly you like to dress up as a triangle behind closed doors….
I shouldn’t even be reading this, let alone be talking to you, but you have it backwards… I used to be a morbidly obtuse octagon. I’ve taken VERY reasonable steps towards getting into healthy shape, but you triangles… It’s a wonder how you even function with so little surface area on your avarars… I’ve given up trying to reason with your kind over the abundant health issues, mental and otherwise, that this “cult”-like blind enthusiasm generates.
It’s probably true that it’s a mental disorder, but being treated unfortunately won’t help in any way. Just as gay and straight people can’t be treated to change their sexuality, pedophiles can’t be treated to change theirs either. The only thing left to do is to lock them up after they’ve commited their crimes to keep them off the streets.
Debatable, arguably you could recondition someone’s sexuality using classical or operant conditioning. Whether it will last forever or if the effects wear off is another question. Also whether it is ethical to do so is completely another subject, which in our free and modern societies it clearly isn’t.
There are medicines that they can take and some people have supposedly been able to treat them. I think the medicine works the best, though. When they take it. Making people who have mental disorders take medicine is HARD.
S
Yay, sent without being finished -.-
So it is not the ssame because pedophilia is a mental disorder, homosexuality isn’t
I know, I wasn’t saying that they were the same. All I’m saying is that in the same way that people do not choose to be homosexual, people do not choose to be pedophiles.
But still it is a crime, if they live that mental disorder, instead of searching help …
Child abuse is a crime, but pedophilia itself is not a crime.
That is what i said …
why is paedophilia a mental disorder? it’s a fetish, surely?
Liking lady boys,
liking the same sex,
having cheese rubbed across your chest as you hurl feaces at your mother
all fetishes.
religious hypocrisy is the best hypocrisy
Religion is hypocrisy
Hypocrisy made religion
Anyone who claims that anything is wrong because GOD says so, can take thier God and shove it up thier @$$. Irresponsible demonization bull5h1t. The bible has undergone hundreds of translations of thousands of years, has been appended to included lots of material that was NOT in the oldest versions…HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU SHEEP NEED?!?!? Following the bible as you way of life is like making Star Wars your religion- they are BOTH FICTION.
You don’t need to be a bible-beating @$$hole to know the difference between right and wrong or how to live a good life. You do however, to point fingers and tell everyone else they’re wrong, bad people. Which s anti-Christian because any intelligent religious individual knows that judgement is reserved for God and ONLY God.
AM, which parts of the Bible are you referring to? The Bible is one old book that we have thousands of older manuscripts of, in Greek and Hebrew (the written languages of Hellenistic parts of the Roman Empire where the books which make up the Bible were written). It seems that you are saying that we can’t rely on anything in the Bible because there are some translation issues and inconsistencies. But if that is the standard, we can’t rely on anything from that long ago at all. Is that really the conclusion you want to draw? If so, we basically are saying that all of classical history is completely bogus. That doesn’t really seem fair because we have all of these old buildings and art and traditions from back then that seem to say that the history wasn’t made up (for instance, have you ever been to Rome?). The point I’m making is that your objection to the Bible really is something more than its accuracy. You need to be honest with yourself on this: you object to its message, plain and simple. And you should be asking yourself why.
I take issue with the bible’s “accuracy” in the sense that there are words and phrases in the original languages which are not clearly understood, but we infer likely meanings from regardless. Wouldn’t be a problem for most historical sources except that religion relentlessly attempts to control social doctrines with it.
Oh there’s countless more reasons to not give the bible any more credit than, say, the quran (take that however you want). Logic, for all the good it does on the internet, dictates that an all-powerful and yet simultaneously All-good being cannot exist (problem of evil, and no, saying that condition X was necessary for god to bring about the supposedly desirable but otherwise unattainable results Y and Z negates his supposed omnipotence).
There’s no quantifiable proof a spirit world exists, and personal mystical/devine experiences are both highly subjective and evident in far more religions than Christianity. It is the pinnacle of pride and ignorance to assert, “we’re right; they’re wrong” when the only standard one goes by is a book which claims of itself to be inspired by god and therefore completely true. Circular reasoning is circular.
As for lack of clarity, try Song of Solomon… Depending on how biased the source, you’ll see there’s enough ambiguity surrounding the king’s lover to cast doubt on her even being a her to begin with.
And “heart of hearts”?? The heart is a blood-pumping muscle, and does not possess a heart of its own. You’re referring to my brain, but you Christians always seem to find poetic, cheesy ways to lose touch with the common language. It’s pretentious. Cut it out.
Oh, and because robots.
Lots of stuff in your reply, but most of it is just changing the subject.
Re: Quran; we weren’t talking about it.
Re: existance of evil; not an argument against an all-powerful creator: you can’t have free will if people weren’t given the choice to do bad things. God could have created robots but decided not to. We could have a debate on why but what’s the point: we know we are able to make good or bad choices just from being here.
Re: no proof of spiritual world; this is a problem of apples and oranges. How do you know that there is only the physical world? We can’t prove there is no spiritual world on the basis that there isn’t evidence in the physical world unless you make the assumption that the spiritual world is subject to the same laws as the physical world. We should we make this assumption? We have no basis to do so.
Re: Song of Solomon; I don’t understand what you are saying here. The Bible is a collection of writings and there is plenty of analysis that has been done over the years and I haven’t heard that theory, but will take a look. Lots of people with various motives have written about all sorts of aspects of the Bible so I’m not surprised that I haven’t heard of this.
Re: heart of hearts; I guess I should have said “deep down” or “at the end of the day” or something else. I still think the point stands that the objection is something more than just the evidence alone.
And another thing, you seem bent on turning critical thinking about the bible, rather than strict adherence to it, into an avoidance of you must feel is the “real” issue, that being a discomfort with its message (I’m assuming mainly salvation).
That’s not generally the case. You have to understand, the bible is @ss loads of fun for “unbelievers”. As Isaac Asimov put it, “properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” Most thinking people’s objection with the bible is how it too easily serves as a platform for bigotry, division and hate (which is a bloody shame considering its potential for good), and not so much against grace and redemption.
Aside: I think you’ve got a lot of good points up in the discussion above. I had a lot of the same concerns for years. But after thinking through a lot of the issues I was able to believe.
Re: salvation. The message is not just one of salvation: it is of judgment and salvation. The key thing is that all of us are in the same boat. We have been born into a world where we are subject to our own selfish desires. We are fundamentally opposed to God. On our own we are separate from God and will continue to separate ourselves from him. Luckily, God loved humankind so much that he provided us another way.
Re: Asimov; lots of folks have said similar things. I remember somebody said they didn’t want to make any more enemies when approached by a clergyman pleading for a deathbed conversion. The point is who cares what everybody else thinks; this is your life; and everybody has to come to grips with the fact that we only get one chance, and that the mortality rate of every generation is 100 per cent.
Re: bigotry, hate, other bad things people have done in name of Christianity. One thing we all need to think about is what is a Christian? I mean is somebody a Christian just because they have one of those fish bumper stickers? Because they say they are? In reality, nothing is black and white. How can you know the inner condition of somebody’s spiritual life?
At any given moment there are people joining the faith and departing from it. The point is, it doesn’t make sense to judge the faith by looking at people who appear to be poorly implementing it. (Would you judge the status of basketball in the world by looking at the B team in a small town high school?) People who do bad things in the name of Christianity aren’t fooling anybody. Jesus said “Ye shall know them by their fruits” — that we know if somebody is a believer by the change in their life, not by what they say.
Thou shalt not question the Asimov, because of robots.
I mention the quron as a comparison to another historical work of literature people have gone through extraordinary lengths to study and understand. It draws attention to the issue of mutually exclusive claims regarding what is true and what we must believe in order to avoid one bad eternal outcome or another.
The problem of evil stands because even the bible talks of angels having free will (hence how Lucifer was ever able to fall from grace in the first place). And what happens when a believer dies and goes to heaven? No more free will? No, god is perfectly capable of allowing genuine choice to exist independent of death and suffering, otherwise, he either sacrifices true omnipotence while meaning well, or he’s an all-powerful @sshole
If you want to believe in a spirit world when there’s no concrete evidence for it, be my guest. But as for why we should revere the physical world as a golden standard of sorts, it’s because virtually no one seriously doubts the existence of a physical reality. It’s one of the only things virtually eveyone can agree on. If only “most” of us could see oak trees, for example, then maybe we’d have reason to question it. The spiritual world is observes by relatively few, and the experiences people have are almost exclusively the product of their surrounding culture. I don’t place much stalk in any of it being actual glimpses into an actual spirit realm. Why should I?
The concept of salvation, if taken to mean a spiritually-insightful means of overcoming destructive influences in our lives, is a wonderful tool for good, despite going about it in a sideways fashion, but repentance is convoluted. There are too many things the bible labels as sin for people to live even just half an hour (for some people, 30 seconds, not even) of their lives without fvcking something up and requiring god’s forgiveness for. And to stand judgement for it if we dont? I’m sorry, but that’s no way to live. It may not be on the forefront of most Christian’s minds because the focus is supposed to be “relationship with god” rather than fear of him, but it’s a brute, inexplicable fact of religion (not faith) that we require saving and are doomed for eternity if we reject it. In my view, that is quite possibly one of the most harmful belief systems ever devised.
For the most part, I see Christians as being no different than me. The bad ones get a rightfully-earned bad rep for taking the worst parts of scripture and running with them. The rest tend to get a bad rep because they have a reputation as a representative of Christ to uphold, and everyone’s eyes are on them to see it they’ll fvck up. In the later case, it’s hardly fair, but they tend to do just fine. As for a collection of people being judged for a handful of idiots who get a lot more attention? Lol that’s life, but the good news is that a thinking person won’t judge many on the actions of few. Anyone who does isn’t worth worrying over. That being said, bigotry and hate ought to be combated anywhere and everywhere it appears.
You also make some good points. It’s encouraging talking to Christians who actually know why they believe what they do. It shows capacity for critical thinking, even if I highly disagree which many of the conclusions you’ve reached lol
I’d like to point out a few more things.
The discussion above touches on some deep theological issues that have been discussed for centuries. I wish that all thinking people would actually take the time to learn about the issues. Since we only have one shot at life, it is somewhat disheartening that many people seem to take a “why bother” stance, when in the end this is actually a risky position. Inaction is usually a conservative approach in other areas of life, but it isn’t here. If people don’t take a stance while alive, they are making a choice too. Will they get another chance later if they were wrong?
Okay now on to some of the points you raised above.
Re: Quran; I haven’t examined it in detail, but you raise a good point about mutual exclusivity. In fact, it highlights a key issue in today’s society. Lots of people say things like there is more than one path to heaven or that all religions are the same at the core. But that can’t really be case, can it? In Christianity, Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. Well it this statement is true, then you are right, it is the only way and the claims of Christianity and Islam are mutually exclusive. Then where does that leave us? Well let’s be practical. We can only examine the claims of Christianity and decide whether to believe them or not. It doesn’t make sense to conclude that there is no truth just because two reglions have made different claims about what the truth is. The only sensible way is to look at the claims and decide for yourself.
Re: angels and free will; I thought this was a very interesting point. I actually decided to buy a book on theology because I really hadn’t thought about the question before. But here is what I think about the subject (my view before looking at the book I purchased). Nothing I said above on free will is contradicted by the story of Lucifer. God has created humans with free will, enabling them to do both good and bad. It seems that the celestial beings also have free will: Lucifer had the ability to reject God as well. Now you are right, where the problem comes in is what type of place is heaven if even the angels can reject God? I admit that it is difficult to conceptualize the nature of heaven. This is probably because we live in the physical realm and have to rely on accounts that were written thousands of years ago. I will need to read more about this to see if what I have said here holds up. In any event, I think it is fair to say that this issue is fairly academic though. I have not heard anybody say this was the main stumbling block to belief, but it is an interesting issue, and I’m sure a lot of people have discussed it before.
especially considering when the bible was written, underage consent wasn’t even invented. they all married and deflowered girls that were 14-15.
14-15? Puh-leeeease. They started plowing’em as soon as they were able to make babies. I think 12 was about typical.
The Bible, which by the way is capitalized, is real. Star Wars is fiction but many of the things in the Bible did happen. Or are you trying to say the Hebrews were never enslaved in Egypt? Or that Ceasar was never emperor of Rome? There is more truth in there than you think.
And by the way we do know that judgement is reserved for God so not all of us point fingers like you seem to be doing.
Judgment, as referred to in the Bible, means something more than “being judgmental” as we see the meaning of the word today. It is speaking of a judgment on the basis of authority. We don’t have this authority as people to make a judgment to condemn others as God does. Does it mean that we can’t point out to our fellow human beings that they are doing something that is contrary to the clear instructions of God in scripture? Of course not. That would mean that we are not subject to any standards at all, which is contrary to what Jesus taught. The fact is that most of us don’t want others to tell us what to do, which is at core of human being. We think we are free to do as we please, in accordance to our own will. But this is a false way of thinking. We aren’t really free until we have the truth. Through Jesus we are able to truly be free. If you don’t believe me, look at every cliche rich celebrity going from bender to bender, woman to woman. This is a search for something out there that they will never really find by looking within. The truth is outside of the self. It doesn’t come from within the world, but from outside of the world.
Religion is the root of all stupid
agreed
Stupid is the root of all religion?
NO,ROOT IS THE RELIGION OF STUPID!!
If not for religion, technology would be about 1000 years further ahead because we wouldn’t have had the stagnation of the middle ages.
Only if you believe a fanciful, non-historical version of history. All of the early universities were established by the church; lots of the key developments were made by clergymen such as Kepler and others. There is actually a ton of information out there on this. A good book with several chapters on this subject (including on the Spanish Inquisition and other historical events that are typically lumped in with this issue): “What’s so Great about Christianity?” by Dinnesh D’souza.
What is your basis for this claim? What do you believe the stagnation of the middle ages was caused by?
I am going to assume you believe religion caused the stagnation of the middle ages. Could you back this up? What if I told you I could back up that it is religion and religious debate that brought man out of the so called “dark ages” and brought about the industrial revolution.
I thought stupid were the root of all stupid?
I would have to say no and thanks for being sterotypical! Man these websites keep proving me right!
Just want to put this here:
“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
“This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
Romans 13
Congratulations!!!! You have successfully used copy/paste!!!
Irrelevant comment is irrelevant.
Using God´s name: The argument is invalid.
i often quote the bible in my comments and they keep getting removed by the moderator. All I want is to preach the word of god. If he tells us it’s ok to kidnap and r4pe underage girls, why cant we? All you have to do to make it legit is either kill their fathers OR pay them 50 shekels(bargain) and marry the girl(always a catch).
The girl was clutching at straws and her point proves nothing anyway; ad hominem arguments are fallacious.
For everyone saying gays are bad, does homosexuality usually violate the rights of a human being? no. For example, the other person usually has a choice whether they want to be gay. So its not evil at all. Pedophilia, however, violates rights. Do you think the kid has a say in what’s happening? no, i dont think so. And first of all, they’re UNDERAGE.
@Kyle – with opinions like that, you would feel yourself fully embraced by the Westboro Baptist Church. Call them, ask for Fred or Shirley.
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“feel” should have been “find”
I am bored…and horny…does somebody wanna have sex?
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We found kyle, jibble was right all along!
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All this shows me is that alcohol makes you do things as bad as being a pedo. And if he is not getting drunk anymore then he is ok. So yes it was rude of her to bring it up. And if we are going on the “don’t cast the first stone” she probably can’t call him out. Actually nobody can call him out because we all have done bad things and sinned.
As far as being gay goes I’m not for it but calling them as evil as pedos seems a bit harsh.
She can call him out because she’s not casting the first stone, he cast it… she’s just changing the trajectory of her stone to hit him.
Ah, pedophiles – foot lovers. You Americans really ought to be more worried about paedophiles, you seem to care more about people with foot fetishes than people who molest children
Well. To be perfectly fair, God never said a thing about public masturbation.
not public no… but masturbation on a whole, public or private is specifically banned.
The fact that the Bible doesn’t mention anything at all regarding pedophilia has apparently escaped OP’s notice. Even worse, the Bible condones marriage (and sex) with Girls as young as 12 and boys as young as 13. They are considered adults according to the Bible at that age.
Sure, let’s cast away man’s ideas and adopt God’s. Sex with 13-year-olds for all.
Hurray!
If gays shouldn’t have the same rights, then we also shouldn’t have to pay all those taxes.
nice one… taxation without representation for the win
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