Like with on of the previous threads, there is no indication about green or blue being bf/ex. There’s no way a girl would humiliate her bf on FB to benefit the ex. green might as well be a girl, while blue is her bf or vice versa. Or it could, of course, be fake.
That’s not really awkward; that’s a reason to dump the person. I guess it might be awkward that it’s out on the internet that your girlfriend would rather spend thanksgiving with her ex than you.
um, fail? it was posted HERE on Thanksgiving. That doesn’t mean she’s wanting to spend the holiday with her ex–just A day. You know, given that it was submitted BEFORE thanksgiving?
any way you look at it… she says she loves one of them and it seems like green IS he boyfriend (since he answers to it)… but then she says she wasn’t talking to him XD
or green is trolling and did this with the intention of being funny and edited it to make it look like that when in actuality blue might be someone she cares for and misses. i say green is the poster and edited it. its up to you if you trust him
But what it the OP just made colours to make it look like that. What if she was telling the ex she was talking to the boyfriend. Names can change length when given a first name only.
At least I really hope so – if not I hope her status changes because of the bf dumping her.
I wonder… Do they have a “… has gone from being in a relationship to being in another relationship. (or “…a re-kindled OLD relationship.”)” status update??
Or how about a “Oh, I’m really sorry, but I was planning to tell you tomorrow.” update.
If a guy would do this all the women would scream in unison what miserable bastards men are.
When a girl does (and without the slitest regret) it’s just akward…
No, if a guy did this all women would scream in unison what miserable bastards men are, and if a woman did this all men and many women would scream in unison what a b¡tch she is.
you do realize “been around the block a few times” indicates multiple sexual partners, not cheating, right? As in, she has slept with multiple men in her past, not that she has done this all at the same time. Also, you say women who don’t cheat are the minority? So if I count up myself and my other female friends, we should have a majority of us cheat…sorry dude. Mathematically it does not compute. (and vice versa for my male friends. Cheating is NOT typical for normal, well functioning adults. ) I think you may have terrible taste in women if you think cheating is normal.
I understand what “been around the block a few times” means but the two things aren’t unrelated.
If you and your friends don’t cheat (not even once) all that means is that you are a class act, and your friends are “keepers”.
The other question is what do you count as cheating? If it’s strictly sex, I’ve “technically” only one ex cheated (multiple times). If you count 2nd base, then I’ve cheated by 2 or 3 ex’s.
Of course this too the best of my knowledge, for all I know “everyone” could have, but I doubt it.
I was only teasing about the current one. She has never cheated.
The one before her didn’t either,
The one before that last just 3 weeks.
The one before that did, ALOT.
The one before that probably didn’t
The one before that kind of did
and the one before that “slept” with my best friend while we together. *
*They literally slept beside each other, while we where dating, and now they are married.
And that is my life story. My sad, sad life story.
I doubt any women would, what would probably happen (like usual) is women would state that she has every right bla blahblah and then twist around the events to state her current boyfriend is probably a sexist dominating prick.
You’re right about if a guy did it though, just straight forward then. Do people even realise how deprived males are of social equality?
Uh-oh. I sense a battle of epic proportions coming.
But yes, you are indeed right. Whenever a guy does something he’s a bastard; a girl can do the same thing and she has “rights to do it” because she has an excuse. D:
Guys are all bastards and girls are all whores, end of the discussion.
This end the so called epic battle.
I’m sure any guy or any girl would fell into the temptation to cheat when in some situations. The concept of “Fidelity” is based on how well a person can avoid these situations.
That’s juste the kind of world we live in, it’s disgusting, but my opinion is realistic.
No woman I know (and I know plenty) have a problem with nice guys that are actually nice. Nice Guys, however, are a problem. No girl wants some guy schmoozing around pretending to be her friend in a passive-aggressive attempt to get her to sleep with him.
There’s very much a difference between actual nice guys and “Nice Guys (tm ltd).” Women usually become wary of guys who give the title “nice guy” to themselves. There’s an entire culture behind Nice Guys. They tend to end up creepy stalkers (I have had two.)
Most of my friends (I’m 28) are dating very nice guys. My own boyfriend is shy. The “women always go for the bad boys” stereotype is probably something limited to films and/or teenage rebels, as I have honestly not seen it in practice. I have, however, seen many men bitterly complaining about “Waaah how come these chicks will sleep with just about anybody except me” and the irony is they don’t realise that such pathetic whining IS the reason women won’t sleep with them.
I do not understand women, think that it is impossible for me to be in a realtionship, and worry that my low self-confidence will cause me to behave in stupid manner should I get into one. Therefore, I have decided to put off a relationship for now; if I find love, I find it. If I don’t, I don’t. As long as I have close friends to get me through, I’ll be fine.
That’s just anecdotal evidence though. Mine is: the stereotype is absolutely true. I was introverted, considerate and romantic. My GFs left me for some extroverted guy and in one case the typical jerk. Ironically the latter is now together with a “boring” nice (as in nice, not “Nice(tm)”) guy, solely out of convenience. Their relationship is as dead as it gets and she regularly talks about cheating with “cool” guys; quite hilarious really when you are not affected. Plus I’ve witnessed it with some of my friends. So yea, it’s true, women want extroverted/jerks.
Hell, after realising that I actively worked to become more arrogant and jerk-ish myself and I have to admit, life is much easier and more fun that way.
This! A thousand times this! I know plenty of nice guys– but the moment I hear a guy calling himself nice, especially if it is followed by a discussion of how nice guys always finish last, alarms immediately go off in my head. As others have said– if you have to label yourself as being a “nice guy/girl,” there’s a chance you are not. Once you’ve brought it up enough times, well…
Honestly, I would almost rather date an outright jerk– someone who knows he is, than date a guy I think is nice, only to find out later that he isn’t. You know what to expect. Nice Guys (TM) are self-entitled. Because they are “Nice Guys,” this and this should happen for them. When it doesn’t, the world is out to get them.
Again, I know MANY nice guys. Obviously I would RATHER date a nice guy. It’s just the jerks who think they are nice that you have to look out for. And that goes for guys as well– there are, in my opinion, an equal number of male and female jerks out there.
There’s nice guys and there’s nice guys. It’s a subtle difference.
One kind of nice guy is just a human being with a penis, who treats me like another decent human being.
The other nice guy is either nerdy and quiet (I love nerds but I can’t stand quiet, I’m shy enough as it is, two shy = very awkward), or fake nice and then disappears when I hook up with another guy. Look, if you’re gonna peace out just because I chose someone else, you weren’t my friend to begin with and that just ain’t attractive.
Women also know the difference between jerks and socially active guys. It’s not that hard. Guys who say women pick jerks are just bitter. IF a woman picks a jerk, it’s because he’s a one night stand and maybe you should get drunk and go find one too and stop being jealous. :/
Sadly sometimes women pick guys who change. Men pick women who change too. These kinds of people are predatory and they are the ones that give a bad rap to said men or women. Instead of being a manhater or womanhater… you should go find these Chameleon People and beat them up.
“and then disappears when I hook up with another guy”
Wait, what? You complain if your boyfriend dumps you because you cheat on him? Is that some kind of “I want my man to fight for me” complex?
Seriously, when your girlfriend cheats on you, it’s over. All trust is lost at that point and once broken it can never be fully restored. There’ll always be that niggling doubt. Best thing you can do is move on and save yourself the emotional pain that comes from immature daddy-issues girls.
Oh no, Alex wasn’t talking about her boyfriend disappearing when she gets with another guy. She’s talking about a GUY FRIEND disappearing when she hooks up with another guy. One of the things that “Nice Guys” are famous for is hanging around being “just friends” with a girl and getting the idea in their heads that a relationship exists where none does, or that because he’s “so nice to her” she should go out with him/sleep with him.
Okay, seriously. Yes, Walt missed the fact that Alex was talking about guy friends rather than boyfriends losing interest when she starts seeing another guy. But if you don’t see a double standard that hurts men in Alex’s complaint, you’re blind.
Imagine, if you will, a guy complaining that girls he was friends with didn’t want to hang out with him anymore after he started dating a different girl. Now try to imagine those girls being called creepy, stalkers, or “Nice Girls (tm ltd)”.
It’s okay to be develop feelings for someone before or after becoming friends with them, it’s okay to fail to communicate it to them, and it’s also okay to lose interest in hanging out with them anymore if they start going out with someone else. For men and women, gay and straight. It’s extremely selfish to expect someone to keep the same friendship with you if they develop feelings for you and you reject them or they tell you soon enough.
It doesn’t have to mean that they just wanted to hook up with them, that they felt like they “deserved” them, or that they felt like they were cheating on them. It can still hurt, and no one should be obligated to remain friends and continue hanging out in that situation. They should be obligated to handle it tactfully, however, and that’s a telling sign of nice versus “Nice”.
It just seems to me that a hope of something more is too often taken as an expectation of something more.
Completely correct, and edhla proved your point perfectly. If anyone mentions the fact that men don’t have equality they’re instantly attacked. These days sexism is only wrong if it’s against women, and somehow people can’t see the mind numbing irony of this.
It’s interesting that way people react. If a guy were to do something like this, everyone would call him an idiot (regardless of their gender) and quite rightly so. If a girl were to do it, as she has done in this example, she’d get a hell of a lot of support in order to fight off teh ebul menz. All menz are diks, and the boyfriend was clearly a male chauvinistic pig by not doing everything she wanted and telling her he wasn’t going to be with her if she was going to exercise her womanly right to see as many guys as she likes.
Contrary to popular belief, guys don’t get praised for being sleazebags, most guys I know who have slept with a bunch of girls get the same treatment a ‘slut’ would.
When a woman is violent against a man, it’s funny, when a man is violent against a women, it’s disgusting. How about this? ALL VIOLENCE IS DISGUSTING!
When a women tells a sexist joke about men, it’s funny, when a man tells a sexist joke about a women he’s clearly on the path to abusing her.
Like I’ve said quite a few time, I’m in favour of equality. Women face sexism, as do men in other parts of the society. Saying either is acceptable whilst the other is wrong is disgusting and is, in itself, sexist.
You don’t understand the difference between one person being a misandrist and actual institutionalised sexism. One of these things is not like the other, though both are bad.
He was not being attacked for his statement that men have social inequality. He was being “attacked” for his bitter and nasty attitude, as if every woman on the planet is to blame for his inability to “score.” THAT is institutionalised sexism.
I don’t see anyone in this thread supporting the girl. These “if a girl did it x, if a guy did it y” statements have no basis in fact, but rather in the biased opinion of the commenter at hand. Your subsequent rant about what people apparently think is, again, baseless, particularly in the context of this thread. It reeks of a gigantic persecution complex… and a little delusional.
“It reeks of a gigantic persecution complex… and a little delusional.”
Look. Maybe they’re actually a Jewish, black, gay transexual who happens to identify as a heterosexual man. You don’t know the pain of their persecution!
For someone accusing people of making baseless claims you sure do come out with bizarre claims that don’t relate to anyone’s posts and only the serve the purpose of being pointless insults (a friendly tip, if you need to resort to them instead of logical arguments then you really don’t have a leg to stand on). Mitch didn’t have a nasty or bitter attitude at all, and I can’t for the life of me figure out where you think he was blaming all women for not being able to ‘score’ (and what are you quoting there? A ctrl+f search just showed that word’s only been typed twice: once by you, once by me just then).
What do you mean ‘institutionalised sexism’ anyway? Even if we assume your criticism of Mitch is correct (it’s not, by the way), that’s just one sexist guy. Why is one sexist guy institutionalised sexism, but a sexist woman is just a one off misandrist and complaining is a sign of a ‘gigantic persecution complex’?
My claims do have justification, by the way. If you really do insist that my claims are made up then you either have very little or no experience with these people whatsoever or you’re simple lying.
Insitutionalised racism= most of the known world, mate. Pay gap. Glass ceiling. Honour killings. Slut shaming… ring any bells?
And sorry, no. “My claims have justification- I can’t and therefore won’t give any justifications, but if you disagree, YOU ARE A LIAR” is a bullcrap argument and you know it. The onus is on Mitch and yourself to back up what you claim.
I typed a longer reply and failbook ate it. The point of it though was this:
Isolated instances of misandry are not instutionalised sexism.
Nobody in this thread has supported this girl, so your angry rant is purely a hypothetical situation used to garner support for your stance. It’s fiction, and it comes across as bitter and, to be honest, slightly delusional.
Excuse me? Who’s making the real assumptions here? I have no problem with ‘scoring’, I have more important things to worry about that having casual sexual relations (though sometimes, it just happens).
I don’t understand why you’ve decided to take what you perceive as an ad hominen approach against my argument, perhaps you know a guy who has said the same thing as me, but in a different context in which he was a ‘nice guy’ in the sense you perceive it?
Regardless, I have no reason to listen to somebody who spews mind-numbing PC crap which is ingrained into your mind by typical robotic society. If you don’t want to critically think about a situation, that’s fine, don’t try to spread your mind virus.
Take a deep breath and step away from the computer. Look at your posts. You resort to constant insults that have no relevance to anything anyone’s said at all. Do you really think you’re the one in the right, here?
By the way, what does racism, homophobia, etc have to do with anything? Seriously, relax and calm down. Your posts are not the result of logical thought, and if you think pretending that Mitch is some kind of monster and expecting everyone to believe these bizarre notions (when we can all clearly see what he’s written, so we all know you’re making it up) is going to support your argument then I just don’t know what to say to you. It’s as if you’ve lost all contact with reality.
I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying.
I’m not saying Mitch is a monster. I’m saying Mitch is a WHINER who has all sorts of weird beliefs that men have EQUAL amounts of sexism levelled against them as women, and for claiming a “double standard” exists where women can do as they please and not be called on it, despite the fact that this double standard does not exist in this thread nor, I suspect, anywhere else.
Claiming someone has lost all contact with reality? How about you actually discuss the issues at hand instead of ad hominem remarks like that?
Yet another hypocritical post. I have discussed the issues at hand; at least, the relevant ones. You’re the one accusing arbitrary people of being whiners, saying they hate all women because they can’t ‘score’ (again, I still have no idea what you thought you were quoting there… regardless, both accusations came from no evidence at all and were relevant to nothing)…
I won’t go on. I’m not sure if you understand what ‘ad hominem’ means. I’ll try to explain my argument more simply for you:
Mitch presented an argument. You started screaming bizarre insults, accusing him of sexism, homophobia, bigotry, and so on and so forth. Throughout this ‘debate’ you’ve done little else, and yet you’ve been accusing those of us presenting logical arguments of behaving in a manner like your own. Therefore, telling you that your comments have no basis in reality is not an attack, merely the only valid counter argument that can be presented to rambling insults (with the possible exception of ignoring it, or “lolwut”).
…look who’s really bitter. The irony is strong with this one. “X” has a point “Mitch” made a comment on the tendencies of social interaction which may or may not be true and then you came right out and insulted him personally. And frankly this whole comment is beyond immature.
Yes, but my bitterness is with society, not with women. Both men and women do the same stupid things, but society and social norms dictate that men have less of a right than women to act stupidly, that’s what’s not acceptable.
We’re all human, we all do stupid things, why is it any different?
I don’t get it. Are you looking for a right to act stupidly? If not, then it shouldn’t be a problem…if you’re not gonna act stupidly, you’re not gonna get called to carpet for it…so your argument is pointless because it doesn’t apply to you.
If you are planning on acting stupidly and wishing you had as much as an excuse as a woman…why do you wanna act stupidly in the first place? If you can acknowledge it’s stupid…why do it?
Again, wrong. It’s that plenty of people, men and women, understand Mitch’s points and then you come along with your bizarre ranting and declarations of love for anyone who even slightly agrees with you.
The irony is that you don’t understand anyone’s comments at all, and D’pointe clearly didn’t understand Mitch’s. No, he’s not saying he wants an excuse to act stupidly, he’s saying that it shouldn’t be acceptable for a woman to do something stupid but disgusting for a man to do it.
Hah, I like that, because obviously there’s going to be a lot of psychological and social science on a topic that people are too afraid to touch in fear that they’d be persecuted against. *sarcasm*
Except that I can find lots of sources that tell me that women still don’t make as much money as men. That seems like some pretty measurable evidence of inequality to me.
There are also lots of sources that state boys are at a disadvantage in schools because teachers in kindergarten are mostly female and in school boys get worse grades for the same performance as girls in scientific classes. There are just fewer sources because even thinking about looking at the inequality issue from the opposite perspective is HEAVILY frowned upon.
Not in all places. My sister is a high school teacher and regularly attends seminars and workshops aimed at bridging the education gap between boys and girls.
In any case, we (or Mitch) are talking about “social inequality”- a.k.a complaints about why “women are allowed to cheat and men aren’t”, or something.
Do these studies use random samples of men and women who have the same career goals, have the same academic and professional performance, and the same amount of maternity leave?
Studies that include all men and women, regardless of what profession they have chosen, or if they have chosen to be a homemaker, are obviously bogus. Also, if a man takes off a year or two to take care of a baby while his wife works, he should not expect to get a position and be paid commensurate to what his experience would be had he not taken the time off — and the same goes for a woman.
But if women with the same skills and the same experience are not making equal pay in the same fields, then there is definitely a problem.
There is evidence that this is not the case. Women in the U.S. are graduating college at a rate of 3 to 2 over men. As a result, unmarried women under 30 without children are currently making 8% more than men, and significantly more than that in many urban areas (up to 20% in Atlanta and Memphis — it’s 17, 12, and 15 in New York, Los Angeles, and San Diego, respectively).
I guarantee you, if society changed to the point where men and women were taking an equal role in childrearing, and were graduating college at equal rates and in equal fields (medicine/law/engineering/science/what-have-you), the pay gap would disappear (for all those graduating since the change in attitude).
Personally, I would love for this to happen, and I get (quietly) angry with women who choose to play the submissive wife role and who don’t want to work, but I also get upset when they are included as evidence that gender discrimination exists in workplace pay.
This is seriously almost as bad as when they were trying to understand anatomy and they couldn’t ‘defile’ human remains because the church was opposed to it.
Yes, because getting card-carrying Nice Guys dates is just as important as, say, finding an immunisation for smallpox and discovering the causes of the Bubonic Plague. Yep.
You do realise you’ve just provided huge support for Mitch’s argument, right? Of course no one’s touched the subject, there’s no important benefit and you get jumped on by Feminazis, as you yourself have shown.
Oh, and stop with this ‘Nice Guys’ nonsense. You can’t go about accusing everyone who disagreed with you of being a fake ‘Nice Guy’ who’s angry with every woman who’s ever lived for not going out with him. Not if you want to be taken seriously, anyway.
LOL, I like how you are all upset about me picking on “poor Mitch”, but it’s quite all right for you to compare a woman trying to point out that Mitch’s arguments are poorly presented and not argued well to THE THIRD REICH.
Not really, it’s a common term used by many people, originally coined by feminists embarrassed by the likes of you who were rightfully a little peeved that you make a mockery of the cause.
You weren’t arguing that his points were badly presented at all, just screaming insults as you have done throughout this. I assume you also react in a similar way to people calling others ‘grammar nazis’?
“Gawd, Y only corrected Z’s grammar! That’s no excuse to compare him* to the THIRD REICH!!!!!!”
*Or her, for the sake of countering your inevitable argument of sexism.
Ehm, yes, it is. If women don’t get off their high horses and accept their role in society, the European race of human is going extinct. All this “equalization” is making sure that women can run away from their natural responsibility as child-carriers and nurturers. The fact that women don’t have time to take care of a child and therefore has none, is killing society. Too many single women who only gets one child -> the population cannot be supported -> we will go extinct. The only reason we’re not seeing this is actually because the rising number of muslims in Europe, America and Canada is keeping the human population up with their abnormally high birthrates.
I’m talking about the European race of the human species, aka Europeans and Canadian and American immigrants you stupid cow. Shut the hell up. Women CANNOT choose whether or not to have children, it is their JOB to raise children as members of their specific gender, just as it is OUR job as males to choose and impregnate the females we see fit. It is the law of nature and we’re breaking it, which is resulting in our society’s downfall. There is a reason Berlin is called Turkey’s second biggest city, it’s because there are more Muslims than actual Germans. See the Muslims have it figured out, women stay at home taking care of the children, while the men provide, like how it’s supposed to be. This is why they, the Muslims in France, have a birthrate of 8.1 PER FAMILY. While the French population is at a steady downfall at about 1.8. 2.11 is required to sustain a culture. In Canada it’s 1.6, in USA it’s 1.6, Europe as an average is 1.38. It’s your fault for choose equality and careers over family and your actual lot in life.
Can you name one person on this thread who stated that they think what this girl did is okay? Nope.
Also, “men have less of a right than women to act stupidly”? Never seen such a thing. I see men getting praised for crazy, reckless things all the time. Example 1.) I don’t think people would have accepted the show “Jackass” if it was women performing in it (unless, of course, they were supermodels in bikinis doing “sexy” stunts for a male audience). Example 2.): I almost never hear a man get called a “slut” for having casual sex with multiple partners.
Morals of the story: 1.) Cheaters of any gender suck, 2.) As edhla said, isolated instances of misandry do not equate to institutionalized society-wide sexism.
Please cite one example where it is okay for a woman to do something stupid, but not okay for a man. I don’t think the above example counts, because everyone had agreed thus far that she is a shrew, and not entitled to act as she has.
I am sympathetic to what you are saying, but this whole “men are victims of a double standard” versus “women are victims of a double standard” debate will really get us nowhere.
Sexism exists, it effects both men and women in different ways, and we should try our hardest not to perpetuate it.
What could I possibly cite? What people would actually bother researching into social inequality for men when society is more worried about inequality for women? It’s simply not an issue tackled by psychologists and social scientists, they wouldn’t get funded.
Actually, they do get funded, FYI. E.g. A study a while back that showed that women are considered more trustworthy on the stand in court than men, on average.
With that said, whatever double standard we guys are dealing with that causes disadvantages is still small compared to the institutional disadvantages which are still causing issues with women currently. While this might reverse itself within 30 years due to educational trends (i.e. women getting better educated than men), for right now a woman politician or CEO is practically a novelty.
And to be quite honest, I would rather have a 50% better chance of being a CEO than being able to score with some dippy chick or be able to cheat on my partner without people calling me sleazy. Because the first one benefits me, while the second one benefits no one substantially.
That’s a very poor attempt at weasling out of the question, Mitch. If you cannot provide ANYTHING solid to back up your words, you’d be better off not saying anything.
how many of you men have been hit by a woman?
now how many of you men have hit a woman?
women hit men all the time. after all, we know that nothing settles an argument quite like a slap to the face and storming off. but what if a man was to hit a woman? much less acceptable. i see it all the time. women hitting men. and they can get away with it because they are perceived as the “weaker” sex.
They’re asking for a verifiable source that statistically shows some kind of double standard, that simply can’t happen because society doesn’t believe such a thing exists.
I have no doubt that yes, some women think it’s all right to hit a man.
I have never hit a man. My sisters have never hit a man. My mother and grandmother have never hit a man. I honestly know of ONE instance of a woman hitting a man. She was charged just like anyone else would be.
It is never, ever okay to hit another human being in anger. Ever. However, the reason domestic violence against women is more emphasised than domestic violence against men is a) because it happens more, and b) the physical ramifications alone of it are more dire. A woman who strikes a man usually does it to humiliate him. Bad enough, against the law, and should be punished BY the law. But then, a man who hits a woman can frequently use enough force to slam her through a glass door.
Ah… I see. So this sexism is SO wide spread that there is even a conspiracy to surpass research into its existence. Tell me again why, in this woman dominated fantasy world you’ve constructed, I make less money than my male counterparts in the workforce?
Maybe because he does a better job than you. Or maybe he negociated his contract better. Or maybe he got the guts to ask for a raise. Or maybe… (this could go on and on)
There are differences between genders. This is undeniable. Some jobs will have more women working there, some jobs will have more men working there. Women will on average be better than men at some jobs, and in other jobs men might have the advantage. With these differences (whether they’re innate or produced by upbringing) expecting the pay to be exactly the same is ridiculous.
Jane, if you believe your male colleagues are unfairly getting paid more than you I suggest you take it up with your manager, and if that doesn’t work then take it further. If they don’t work in the same establishment though, how is that sexism? I highly doubt there’s a hidden organisation which makes it so that businesses pay their employees equally fairly, but businesses with more women pay all their employees less so that on average women get paid less.
By the way, I want to clear one thing up. I’m very well aware that sexism against women exists on a societal level and I, along with every somewhat decent human being, am strongly against it. However, that does not mean that men aren’t ever the victims of sexism in some areas of society, nor does it mean that anti-male sexism should be ignored. I suppose you could call me a feminist for being in favor of equality and I don’t object to being described as that, but I don’t see the point in calling myself that. I don’t call myself a ‘masculist’ for being against sexism to men, nor do I call myself a ‘Scotist’ for being against racism to Scottish people, or ‘Asianist’ for being against racism to… well, you get the idea.
tl;dr: I’m in favor of equality, and so oppose sexism against both women and men. However, ignoring sexism against men because sexism against women happens (the example of some women not getting paid as much as men, for example) is both itself sexist and illogical.
I don’t care about this double standard you keep whining about. The fact is that as men we have an unfair, immoral advantage of women; we get paid better for doing the same jobs, we are less likely to experience domestic violence, and we are not objectified to nearly the same degree in the eyes of society (hence why I have decided to cut down on the amount of ‘questionable material’ I view on the internet by a signifigant degree). I know that sexism against men exists, but it’s nowhere near as problamatic or institutionalized as the kind of crap women have to put up with, and pretending otherwise makes you appear out of touch with reality.
No wonder you have this trouble with “card carrying Nice Guys”. It’s not, as you believe, that all guys are like that, it’s just that you have that dramatic reaction to anyone making even a rubbish effort to be one.
“we are not objectified to nearly the same degree in the eyes of society”
Complete lie. It’s very much the opposite way around. A man casting a casual glance at a woman is a pervert. Women’s magazines, however, quite often rank men on how attractive they are, have a ‘torso of the week’ section, and so on. Then there’s the fact that a calender of a woman not wearing very much is disgusting, but calenders of men wearing virtually nothing is fine.
I won’t go on. All your claims are weakly justified, to say the very least.
Ha ha, really? I don’t think you know the definition of “objectification”. You are SERIOUSLY trying to make the claim that men are the REAL victims of sexual objectification in society? Have you ever watched a TV? Seen a Billboard? And let me ask you, as you are a man, how many times have women yelled offensive sexual things to you on the street that made you feel disrespected and threatened? Followed you to your car demanding your phone number? Made you feel physically and sexually threatened in public? Because, guess what, that happens to us all the time. Sexual objectification = treated like a sexual object without regard to personal thoughts or feelings. I doubt that happens to you on the near daily basis it happens to women.
You really live in a special world in your head if you think women are the ones running the show and reaping the rewards of a woman-dominated society.
Completely irrelevant to everything that’s been discussed.
What counts as an ‘offensive’ sexual things? I can’t know what you do, despite the fact you seem to be able to quite confidently claim to know what I do, but everyone I’ve met complaining to be offended by sexual remarks makes similar ones themselves, but that’s not offensive because “it’s just not”.
Also, I think it’s also worth pointing out that, whilst I am sympathetic to whatever problems you’ve been through, you can hardly say it’s because of institutionalised sexism. Yes, women face problems (you more than most, it seems) at the hands of a few creeps, but so does everyone. I have, in answer to your question, had ‘offensive sexual things’ shouted at me, been disrespected in such a manner, and so on.
Your first paragraph is nothing to do with objectification in a sexist sense, unless you think it’s males who cause this outlook to women. It’s not. I have yet to meet a guy who thinks twig figures are sexy, so whatever message women’s magazines spread it certainly doesn’t come from men.
As for your second, true enough. Onto the last, it’s certainly not denial at all. The only reason you feel that way, unless you live in a vastly different culture to my own (which you may do of course, in which case the problems of sexism against men may not be so great), is because it’s completely socially acceptable when it’s against men.
There has been tons of research into this! Heck, people have written whole books on the crisis of masculinity that Western society is facing today. Do I think they are all right? No. Do I think these are questions that should be asked? Of course. Any inequality should be tackled, but edhla was right a few posts up, there is a difference between institutionalized sexism and individual sexist beliefs. They are both ridiculous, and should not exist, but as long as they do the differences between them should be acknowledged.
Actually, I’m willing to admit I over-generalised my first comment, however, an increasing proportion of women in society are starting to have this approach, but definately not ALL of them like my comment seemed to be suggesting.
That’s probably why it came off as bitter… You’re free to continue assuming that my very accidental generalisation is my actual view, but you’ll lose intellectual integrity in my eyes.
P.S. Sorry to the people who agreed with my original comment, not ALL women would justify this girl’s actions, however it is becoming a common trend in society.
I know I’m late, so I’m not sure if you’ll see this and also I don’t like using personal references as I think truly good points shouldn’t need them…but whatever.
As a girl, I definitely feel like there are situations in which I seem to automatically draw the short straw purely because I’m female. If a guy has that same feeling in certain situations, then that’s not right either. It’s simply not fair to say that any instance of gender-related injustice against me is institutionalised sexism whereas that against you (I’m assuming you’re a guy, just because) is an isolated incident of misandrism. There could be a million ways this can be justified by statistics and facts, however using it to support the argument that incidents of sexism against women are somehow worse than those against men gets us nowhere, in addition to being thoroughly sophistic and nonsensical.
That said, I absolutely do not agree with your argument about men getting attacked for doing things that women don’t. For similar reasons, actually, but I won’t go into it as this comment is long enough already!
Basically, the point is – there’s incredible amounts of inequality that women still face to this day, but saying sexism against men is therefore not a big deal is completely ridiculous.
Very much agreed. Sexism undoubtedly exists against both genders and does so very commonly. However, as you said, saying that sexism against one sex exists and therefore sexism against the other isn’t a big deal is nonsensical. I suppose I can see the logic: men are most likely going to be responsible for sexism against women and vice versa, but to blame all people of that gender and consider ‘reverse sexism’ a valid punishment is itself, obviously, sexist and just perpetuates the problem.
Not really. You’re going about ranting about teh ebul menz whenever anyone acknowledges sexism against them exists. Nowhere did anyone say that all women are the Satan spawn you claim they did. If you think that’s a proper discussion then you’re so hopelessly deluded that the mere notion of any real discussion with you becomes laughable.
Get back in the kitchen, X. Aren’t you forgetting we live in a society that discriminates horribly against men and is dominated by us women? That’s why you dudes will never be president. Go make me a sandwich. /sarcasm
Go read the post you replied to and apply it to yourself.
How can you not notice the painful irony there? No one ever said that we’re in a society dominated by women, blah blah blah. You and Edhla needing to pretend anyone’s ever said that speaks volumes, and the fact she supports that comment should make you realise it wasn’t very valid at all.
… I was in sarcastic agreement with “Person.” I think that if this exchange is truly as represented, the girl in question is either a horrible person, cluelessly young, or more likely, both.
I agree. The one in green has no car. Also, I think it actually make more sense if the EX thought this was about him and it turns out she was talking to the bf. Also the green is two different lengths. I wonder if that is not an error, but actually two different people?
I think that’s a red herring said by old people. Having seen both young people and old people, I am relatively certain that idiots need no excuse regardless of age range. The only difference is that as idiots age they tend to be marginalized into places where your average non-idiot wouldn’t run into them.
I jumped to both conclusions. My first thought is that they were still in high school or similar, and therefore have very little social grace (I still remember the days when we would break up with our SO’s without even bothering to tell each other. Oh, junior high, you were so terrible.) … then second thought and hoped thought is that this is mislabeled for the lulz.
Yeah, I was thinking she might be bi, one of my friends has a boyfriend and yet makes out and stuff with her friend (they’re not even bi though), it’s really a matter of social standards amongst the people involved.
A female doesn’t have to be bisexual or a lesbian to tell her other female friends they love them. Though I don’t exactly think it’s normal for two, straight best friends to make out with each other, as with your friends.
I actually see a lot of straight girls do this for attention. It can be kind if annoying if you’re actually bi or lesbian and the girl who’ve been making out with for an hour gets all weirded out when you try to take it to the next level.
Agreed! That drives me nuts. I call it “I Kissed a Girl and I Liked It” Syndrome. Makes it hard for actual bi girls and lezzies to get some real action… or even just a friggin’ date.
Move to Seattle. It seems if you step into the wrong part (or the right part depending on your perspective) of town and you’re never going to find a straight girl. I have no idea what it is about Seattle, but that city seems to have self segregated to a degree, walk to one part of town it’s all gay guys, walk to another all Asian women, walk to another all Indians, yet another you might find collage students. Head on down towards the waterfront and you will find a huge amount of Irish pubs, unfortunately they are all full of collage aged frat type boys and their hags.
It only happens at night, during the day everyone goes off to work and nobody cares.
true, but most girls i know only do it when they’re “drunk” (the quotation marks are there for a reason unfortunately). I think I’ve only heard of one instance of two straight girls making out while they were sober. I generally try not to surround myself with those people though >.<
Er, kick it means to get butt. Or get it in the butt, in the female case. It can mean hang out, but usually, it’s a statement made from man to woman and vice versa, meaning that we’re going to hang out, with a general understanding that they’re going to kick boots together later on. Can also be said between close male and female friends [who have at some time or another kicked boots] or two females [who have probably tried kicking boots themselves], but almost never males, unless homosexual, usually.
what if blue is not a guy at all?? what if blue is just one of her female friends? because the sad face and the cheer up little trooper make more sense coming out from a girl than a guy!
On the one hand, it did seem like people were taking it too seriously. On the other, it’s something that should be discussed. It doesn’t matter which side your on;racism, sexism,homophobia-it all should be talked about. Affirmative action and ignoring it are not going to help anything. I think it makes it worse. Besides, reading it was amusing, for me at least.
I know it needs to be talked about, but I just don’t think HERE was the place to do it. I mean, I may be naive and a little silly, but hey, that’s me. I did read a lot of it, though. It’s just when the replies got super long and quoting fact sheets and stuff like that is when I stopped reading. It’s too early to be reading all that :p
I can’t argue with your logic-but I’ll admit, I thought a few times telling them to cite their sources. But I am a university student, so citing everything is second nature. But it was rather early.
No, nobody is. Sadly, everyone is going off of popularised stereotypes and personal experiences (including me) simply because there is no hard data on the sociological aspects of the argument.
Just because you haven’t heard of any doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Don’t ask me to actually come up with any myself, because I’m lazy, but unless you can cite something that says “Nope! No data exists!” then you’re being just as lazy.
I’d be pretty surprised if there was no data, though. This a pretty central topic of sociology, I thought.
To everyone who thinks this is fake or trolling or whatever. I posted this and that IS my ex gf. shes like my best friend/love of my life and we have this on/off thing. And she calls me boo cuz its our thing. The other guy, (who i found out today she is gonna marry, SMH) was in the doghouse at the time and she was coming over to watch movies wit me so i could cheer her up. And if you dont believe that, F*ck yourself.
uh… umm… *scratches head, looking away*… yeah…
Welcome to Dumpsville.
Population: You.
WIN
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Gotta love Homer.
Well that sucks…
Woww… Just wow…
That is a straight up slap. in. the. face.
Um. Wow. Just…Wow.
Why would you even..?
Someone’s unbelivabley STUPID.
wow….awkward. that sucks for the boyfriend.
Like with on of the previous threads, there is no indication about green or blue being bf/ex. There’s no way a girl would humiliate her bf on FB to benefit the ex. green might as well be a girl, while blue is her bf or vice versa. Or it could, of course, be fake.
yeah agreed, it seems much more likely to be fake
defintely not fake. i know the person that submitted this in here and could show you the print screen. thanks
No ways..Id love 2 c.
Yeah you’re right.. Blue sounds more like a girl to me.. I couldn’t imagine some girl saying that, unless they’re wanting a break up >.>
That’s not really awkward; that’s a reason to dump the person. I guess it might be awkward that it’s out on the internet that your girlfriend would rather spend thanksgiving with her ex than you.
and she calls her ex “boo” and says she loves him… apparently
they should have labeled the “boyfriend” as “soon-to-be-ex-boyfriend”
um, fail? it was posted HERE on Thanksgiving. That doesn’t mean she’s wanting to spend the holiday with her ex–just A day. You know, given that it was submitted BEFORE thanksgiving?
What the hell do u think this has to do with Thanksgiving?
Moron. Read what he was replying to.
No doubt.
This is actually so sad, I felt awkward myself.. Girl, you gotta know what you write, damn.
Think what you write*
Oh, the irony…
@Rachel WIN / @Jazzy FAAAAIIIILLLL
ROFL AHAHAHHA
What a two-timing slut
Hmm… I think someone took a picture of a semi-awkward situation and labeled the people as her boyfriend and ex boyfriend to make it seem more awkward.
any way you look at it… she says she loves one of them and it seems like green IS he boyfriend (since he answers to it)… but then she says she wasn’t talking to him XD
even if the other one isn’t her ex… still awkward
or green is trolling and did this with the intention of being funny and edited it to make it look like that when in actuality blue might be someone she cares for and misses. i say green is the poster and edited it. its up to you if you trust him
But what it the OP just made colours to make it look like that. What if she was telling the ex she was talking to the boyfriend. Names can change length when given a first name only.
At least I really hope so – if not I hope her status changes because of the bf dumping her.
Me too.
She told Blue she was trying to “kick it wit you” so I assume she’s trying to get over him or something? In which case, these are correctly labelled.
By “kick it wit you” she probably means “hang out with you”
Or, maybe they really are boyfriend and ex, and it really WAS that awkward?
What a nappy headed ho.
That made my day!
Pink is a b!tch.
I agree.
Justin Bieber FTW
What?
*Justin Bieber for the win*
It’s a modern day expression meaning “nurse that last medication you gave me was from a bad batch.”
LOL
Who?
Where?
Why?
I like chocolate.
C-C-C-Combo breaker!!!!!!
C-C-C-Combo restorer!!!!!!
When?
When?
WHAT?!!!!
I wonder… Do they have a “… has gone from being in a relationship to being in another relationship. (or “…a re-kindled OLD relationship.”)” status update??
Or how about a “Oh, I’m really sorry, but I was planning to tell you tomorrow.” update.
Maybe an “I’m a cheating-lying slut.” update??
So many possibilities for updates!!
Sure they didn’t get the labels mixed up here? This would make more sense if Blue was the boyfriend, and Green was an ex who wasn’t taking a hint.
That’s what I was thinking..
Yep.
That’s how I actually interpreted it first before I went back and checked. An ex not getting it seems more natural and likely to me.
Or maybe that’s just *my* exes.
But that wouldn’t be much of a fail
It’d be a fail for her Ex…thinking she said she loved him, etc.
If a guy would do this all the women would scream in unison what miserable bastards men are.
When a girl does (and without the slitest regret) it’s just akward…
^ This…
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is the sad truth.
No, if a guy did this all women would scream in unison what miserable bastards men are, and if a woman did this all men and many women would scream in unison what a b¡tch she is.
Not so.
She’s just typical.
I’m guessing you’re single then, with that attitude.
No, no.
I have a great girlfriend who almost never cheats on me. But she’s not typical.
Most of the Ex’s have “been around the block a few times”.
“almost never”?
wat
Win.
lol forever. She certainly sounds like a class-act. A keeper, that one is.
….almost.
Does she almost never cheat because she’s not often allowed out of the basement?
“*Sigh* She’s out again, Steve. Get the cattle prod, I’ll start the car.”
Now that you mention it, there does seem to be a high correlation between the times she escapes and the time she cheats.
Lol.
you do realize “been around the block a few times” indicates multiple sexual partners, not cheating, right? As in, she has slept with multiple men in her past, not that she has done this all at the same time. Also, you say women who don’t cheat are the minority? So if I count up myself and my other female friends, we should have a majority of us cheat…sorry dude. Mathematically it does not compute. (and vice versa for my male friends. Cheating is NOT typical for normal, well functioning adults. ) I think you may have terrible taste in women if you think cheating is normal.
I understand what “been around the block a few times” means but the two things aren’t unrelated.
If you and your friends don’t cheat (not even once) all that means is that you are a class act, and your friends are “keepers”.
The other question is what do you count as cheating? If it’s strictly sex, I’ve “technically” only one ex cheated (multiple times). If you count 2nd base, then I’ve cheated by 2 or 3 ex’s.
Of course this too the best of my knowledge, for all I know “everyone” could have, but I doubt it.
I was only teasing about the current one. She has never cheated.
The one before her didn’t either,
The one before that last just 3 weeks.
The one before that did, ALOT.
The one before that probably didn’t
The one before that kind of did
and the one before that “slept” with my best friend while we together. *
*They literally slept beside each other, while we where dating, and now they are married.
And that is my life story. My sad, sad life story.
lol bitter much
Haha,
Just a little.
Hocakes. Because hoz gotta eat, too.
I doubt any women would, what would probably happen (like usual) is women would state that she has every right bla blahblah and then twist around the events to state her current boyfriend is probably a sexist dominating prick.
You’re right about if a guy did it though, just straight forward then. Do people even realise how deprived males are of social equality?
i could not agree more!!
Uh-oh. I sense a battle of epic proportions coming.
But yes, you are indeed right. Whenever a guy does something he’s a bastard; a girl can do the same thing and she has “rights to do it” because she has an excuse. D:
when a guy has multiple sex partners, he’s a player.
when a girl has multiple sex partners, she’s a whore.
women still only make 77 cents on the dollar compared to men in the US.
don’t act like guys are the ones with all the double standards.
Guys are all bastards and girls are all whores, end of the discussion.
This end the so called epic battle.
I’m sure any guy or any girl would fell into the temptation to cheat when in some situations. The concept of “Fidelity” is based on how well a person can avoid these situations.
That’s juste the kind of world we live in, it’s disgusting, but my opinion is realistic.
Wow, you have a serious case of Nice Guy Syndrome. Hint: this is why women don’t like you, not because poor little you is deprived of social equality.
This X 10000
No woman I know (and I know plenty) have a problem with nice guys that are actually nice. Nice Guys, however, are a problem. No girl wants some guy schmoozing around pretending to be her friend in a passive-aggressive attempt to get her to sleep with him.
There’s very much a difference between actual nice guys and “Nice Guys (tm ltd).” Women usually become wary of guys who give the title “nice guy” to themselves. There’s an entire culture behind Nice Guys. They tend to end up creepy stalkers (I have had two.)
Most of my friends (I’m 28) are dating very nice guys. My own boyfriend is shy. The “women always go for the bad boys” stereotype is probably something limited to films and/or teenage rebels, as I have honestly not seen it in practice. I have, however, seen many men bitterly complaining about “Waaah how come these chicks will sleep with just about anybody except me” and the irony is they don’t realise that such pathetic whining IS the reason women won’t sleep with them.
I do not understand women, think that it is impossible for me to be in a realtionship, and worry that my low self-confidence will cause me to behave in stupid manner should I get into one. Therefore, I have decided to put off a relationship for now; if I find love, I find it. If I don’t, I don’t. As long as I have close friends to get me through, I’ll be fine.
Can you please re write this so that it’s readable? Thanks.
I had to pretend to be the boyfriend of one of my friends once because of ‘Nice Guys (tm ltd)’.
That’s just anecdotal evidence though. Mine is: the stereotype is absolutely true. I was introverted, considerate and romantic. My GFs left me for some extroverted guy and in one case the typical jerk. Ironically the latter is now together with a “boring” nice (as in nice, not “Nice(tm)”) guy, solely out of convenience. Their relationship is as dead as it gets and she regularly talks about cheating with “cool” guys; quite hilarious really when you are not affected. Plus I’ve witnessed it with some of my friends. So yea, it’s true, women want extroverted/jerks.
Hell, after realising that I actively worked to become more arrogant and jerk-ish myself and I have to admit, life is much easier and more fun that way.
Being “nice” is a lot like being a lady. If you have to TELL people you are… then you aren’t.
Neither gender has a monopoly on jerks, in my experience.
This! A thousand times this! I know plenty of nice guys– but the moment I hear a guy calling himself nice, especially if it is followed by a discussion of how nice guys always finish last, alarms immediately go off in my head. As others have said– if you have to label yourself as being a “nice guy/girl,” there’s a chance you are not. Once you’ve brought it up enough times, well…
Honestly, I would almost rather date an outright jerk– someone who knows he is, than date a guy I think is nice, only to find out later that he isn’t. You know what to expect. Nice Guys (TM) are self-entitled. Because they are “Nice Guys,” this and this should happen for them. When it doesn’t, the world is out to get them.
Again, I know MANY nice guys. Obviously I would RATHER date a nice guy. It’s just the jerks who think they are nice that you have to look out for. And that goes for guys as well– there are, in my opinion, an equal number of male and female jerks out there.
There’s nice guys and there’s nice guys. It’s a subtle difference.
One kind of nice guy is just a human being with a penis, who treats me like another decent human being.
The other nice guy is either nerdy and quiet (I love nerds but I can’t stand quiet, I’m shy enough as it is, two shy = very awkward), or fake nice and then disappears when I hook up with another guy. Look, if you’re gonna peace out just because I chose someone else, you weren’t my friend to begin with and that just ain’t attractive.
Women also know the difference between jerks and socially active guys. It’s not that hard. Guys who say women pick jerks are just bitter. IF a woman picks a jerk, it’s because he’s a one night stand and maybe you should get drunk and go find one too and stop being jealous. :/
Sadly sometimes women pick guys who change. Men pick women who change too. These kinds of people are predatory and they are the ones that give a bad rap to said men or women. Instead of being a manhater or womanhater… you should go find these Chameleon People and beat them up.
“and then disappears when I hook up with another guy”
Wait, what? You complain if your boyfriend dumps you because you cheat on him? Is that some kind of “I want my man to fight for me” complex?
Seriously, when your girlfriend cheats on you, it’s over. All trust is lost at that point and once broken it can never be fully restored. There’ll always be that niggling doubt. Best thing you can do is move on and save yourself the emotional pain that comes from immature daddy-issues girls.
Oh no, Alex wasn’t talking about her boyfriend disappearing when she gets with another guy. She’s talking about a GUY FRIEND disappearing when she hooks up with another guy. One of the things that “Nice Guys” are famous for is hanging around being “just friends” with a girl and getting the idea in their heads that a relationship exists where none does, or that because he’s “so nice to her” she should go out with him/sleep with him.
Okay, seriously. Yes, Walt missed the fact that Alex was talking about guy friends rather than boyfriends losing interest when she starts seeing another guy. But if you don’t see a double standard that hurts men in Alex’s complaint, you’re blind.
Imagine, if you will, a guy complaining that girls he was friends with didn’t want to hang out with him anymore after he started dating a different girl. Now try to imagine those girls being called creepy, stalkers, or “Nice Girls (tm ltd)”.
It’s okay to be develop feelings for someone before or after becoming friends with them, it’s okay to fail to communicate it to them, and it’s also okay to lose interest in hanging out with them anymore if they start going out with someone else. For men and women, gay and straight. It’s extremely selfish to expect someone to keep the same friendship with you if they develop feelings for you and you reject them or they tell you soon enough.
It doesn’t have to mean that they just wanted to hook up with them, that they felt like they “deserved” them, or that they felt like they were cheating on them. It can still hurt, and no one should be obligated to remain friends and continue hanging out in that situation. They should be obligated to handle it tactfully, however, and that’s a telling sign of nice versus “Nice”.
It just seems to me that a hope of something more is too often taken as an expectation of something more.
The major difference is between actually nice guys and Nice Guys (TM).
I like “The Good guys”
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Amen Brother
Completely correct, and edhla proved your point perfectly. If anyone mentions the fact that men don’t have equality they’re instantly attacked. These days sexism is only wrong if it’s against women, and somehow people can’t see the mind numbing irony of this.
It’s interesting that way people react. If a guy were to do something like this, everyone would call him an idiot (regardless of their gender) and quite rightly so. If a girl were to do it, as she has done in this example, she’d get a hell of a lot of support in order to fight off teh ebul menz. All menz are diks, and the boyfriend was clearly a male chauvinistic pig by not doing everything she wanted and telling her he wasn’t going to be with her if she was going to exercise her womanly right to see as many guys as she likes.
Doesn’t stop there:
Contrary to popular belief, guys don’t get praised for being sleazebags, most guys I know who have slept with a bunch of girls get the same treatment a ‘slut’ would.
When a woman is violent against a man, it’s funny, when a man is violent against a women, it’s disgusting. How about this? ALL VIOLENCE IS DISGUSTING!
When a women tells a sexist joke about men, it’s funny, when a man tells a sexist joke about a women he’s clearly on the path to abusing her.
There is so much right here.
Like I’ve said quite a few time, I’m in favour of equality. Women face sexism, as do men in other parts of the society. Saying either is acceptable whilst the other is wrong is disgusting and is, in itself, sexist.
You don’t understand the difference between one person being a misandrist and actual institutionalised sexism. One of these things is not like the other, though both are bad.
He was not being attacked for his statement that men have social inequality. He was being “attacked” for his bitter and nasty attitude, as if every woman on the planet is to blame for his inability to “score.” THAT is institutionalised sexism.
I don’t see anyone in this thread supporting the girl. These “if a girl did it x, if a guy did it y” statements have no basis in fact, but rather in the biased opinion of the commenter at hand. Your subsequent rant about what people apparently think is, again, baseless, particularly in the context of this thread. It reeks of a gigantic persecution complex… and a little delusional.
You = My hero
“It reeks of a gigantic persecution complex… and a little delusional.”
Look. Maybe they’re actually a Jewish, black, gay transexual who happens to identify as a heterosexual man. You don’t know the pain of their persecution!
For someone accusing people of making baseless claims you sure do come out with bizarre claims that don’t relate to anyone’s posts and only the serve the purpose of being pointless insults (a friendly tip, if you need to resort to them instead of logical arguments then you really don’t have a leg to stand on). Mitch didn’t have a nasty or bitter attitude at all, and I can’t for the life of me figure out where you think he was blaming all women for not being able to ‘score’ (and what are you quoting there? A ctrl+f search just showed that word’s only been typed twice: once by you, once by me just then).
What do you mean ‘institutionalised sexism’ anyway? Even if we assume your criticism of Mitch is correct (it’s not, by the way), that’s just one sexist guy. Why is one sexist guy institutionalised sexism, but a sexist woman is just a one off misandrist and complaining is a sign of a ‘gigantic persecution complex’?
My claims do have justification, by the way. If you really do insist that my claims are made up then you either have very little or no experience with these people whatsoever or you’re simple lying.
Insitutionalised racism= most of the known world, mate. Pay gap. Glass ceiling. Honour killings. Slut shaming… ring any bells?
And sorry, no. “My claims have justification- I can’t and therefore won’t give any justifications, but if you disagree, YOU ARE A LIAR” is a bullcrap argument and you know it. The onus is on Mitch and yourself to back up what you claim.
I typed a longer reply and failbook ate it. The point of it though was this:
Isolated instances of misandry are not instutionalised sexism.
Nobody in this thread has supported this girl, so your angry rant is purely a hypothetical situation used to garner support for your stance. It’s fiction, and it comes across as bitter and, to be honest, slightly delusional.
Excuse me? Who’s making the real assumptions here? I have no problem with ‘scoring’, I have more important things to worry about that having casual sexual relations (though sometimes, it just happens).
I don’t understand why you’ve decided to take what you perceive as an ad hominen approach against my argument, perhaps you know a guy who has said the same thing as me, but in a different context in which he was a ‘nice guy’ in the sense you perceive it?
Regardless, I have no reason to listen to somebody who spews mind-numbing PC crap which is ingrained into your mind by typical robotic society. If you don’t want to critically think about a situation, that’s fine, don’t try to spread your mind virus.
Take a deep breath and step away from the computer. Look at your posts. You resort to constant insults that have no relevance to anything anyone’s said at all. Do you really think you’re the one in the right, here?
By the way, what does racism, homophobia, etc have to do with anything? Seriously, relax and calm down. Your posts are not the result of logical thought, and if you think pretending that Mitch is some kind of monster and expecting everyone to believe these bizarre notions (when we can all clearly see what he’s written, so we all know you’re making it up) is going to support your argument then I just don’t know what to say to you. It’s as if you’ve lost all contact with reality.
I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying.
I’m not saying Mitch is a monster. I’m saying Mitch is a WHINER who has all sorts of weird beliefs that men have EQUAL amounts of sexism levelled against them as women, and for claiming a “double standard” exists where women can do as they please and not be called on it, despite the fact that this double standard does not exist in this thread nor, I suspect, anywhere else.
Claiming someone has lost all contact with reality? How about you actually discuss the issues at hand instead of ad hominem remarks like that?
Yet another hypocritical post. I have discussed the issues at hand; at least, the relevant ones. You’re the one accusing arbitrary people of being whiners, saying they hate all women because they can’t ‘score’ (again, I still have no idea what you thought you were quoting there… regardless, both accusations came from no evidence at all and were relevant to nothing)…
I won’t go on. I’m not sure if you understand what ‘ad hominem’ means. I’ll try to explain my argument more simply for you:
Mitch presented an argument. You started screaming bizarre insults, accusing him of sexism, homophobia, bigotry, and so on and so forth. Throughout this ‘debate’ you’ve done little else, and yet you’ve been accusing those of us presenting logical arguments of behaving in a manner like your own. Therefore, telling you that your comments have no basis in reality is not an attack, merely the only valid counter argument that can be presented to rambling insults (with the possible exception of ignoring it, or “lolwut”).
…look who’s really bitter. The irony is strong with this one. “X” has a point “Mitch” made a comment on the tendencies of social interaction which may or may not be true and then you came right out and insulted him personally. And frankly this whole comment is beyond immature.
Yes, but my bitterness is with society, not with women. Both men and women do the same stupid things, but society and social norms dictate that men have less of a right than women to act stupidly, that’s what’s not acceptable.
We’re all human, we all do stupid things, why is it any different?
I don’t get it. Are you looking for a right to act stupidly? If not, then it shouldn’t be a problem…if you’re not gonna act stupidly, you’re not gonna get called to carpet for it…so your argument is pointless because it doesn’t apply to you.
If you are planning on acting stupidly and wishing you had as much as an excuse as a woman…why do you wanna act stupidly in the first place? If you can acknowledge it’s stupid…why do it?
THANK YOU.
Interesting how the women in this thread seem to understand what I’m saying and the men- Just. Don’t.
Again, wrong. It’s that plenty of people, men and women, understand Mitch’s points and then you come along with your bizarre ranting and declarations of love for anyone who even slightly agrees with you.
The irony is that you don’t understand anyone’s comments at all, and D’pointe clearly didn’t understand Mitch’s. No, he’s not saying he wants an excuse to act stupidly, he’s saying that it shouldn’t be acceptable for a woman to do something stupid but disgusting for a man to do it.
I’m a guy. My name is a joke.
Funny how the woman didn’t get the joke…:P
Stop throwing all these facts and figures at us. I may just faint from all your hard data.
Hah, I like that, because obviously there’s going to be a lot of psychological and social science on a topic that people are too afraid to touch in fear that they’d be persecuted against. *sarcasm*
Except that I can find lots of sources that tell me that women still don’t make as much money as men. That seems like some pretty measurable evidence of inequality to me.
You just agreed with me O.o
There are also lots of sources that state boys are at a disadvantage in schools because teachers in kindergarten are mostly female and in school boys get worse grades for the same performance as girls in scientific classes. There are just fewer sources because even thinking about looking at the inequality issue from the opposite perspective is HEAVILY frowned upon.
Not in all places. My sister is a high school teacher and regularly attends seminars and workshops aimed at bridging the education gap between boys and girls.
In any case, we (or Mitch) are talking about “social inequality”- a.k.a complaints about why “women are allowed to cheat and men aren’t”, or something.
Ok I say we all meet in the middle there are social inequality both for men and women.
Do these studies use random samples of men and women who have the same career goals, have the same academic and professional performance, and the same amount of maternity leave?
Studies that include all men and women, regardless of what profession they have chosen, or if they have chosen to be a homemaker, are obviously bogus. Also, if a man takes off a year or two to take care of a baby while his wife works, he should not expect to get a position and be paid commensurate to what his experience would be had he not taken the time off — and the same goes for a woman.
But if women with the same skills and the same experience are not making equal pay in the same fields, then there is definitely a problem.
There is evidence that this is not the case. Women in the U.S. are graduating college at a rate of 3 to 2 over men. As a result, unmarried women under 30 without children are currently making 8% more than men, and significantly more than that in many urban areas (up to 20% in Atlanta and Memphis — it’s 17, 12, and 15 in New York, Los Angeles, and San Diego, respectively).
I guarantee you, if society changed to the point where men and women were taking an equal role in childrearing, and were graduating college at equal rates and in equal fields (medicine/law/engineering/science/what-have-you), the pay gap would disappear (for all those graduating since the change in attitude).
Personally, I would love for this to happen, and I get (quietly) angry with women who choose to play the submissive wife role and who don’t want to work, but I also get upset when they are included as evidence that gender discrimination exists in workplace pay.
This is seriously almost as bad as when they were trying to understand anatomy and they couldn’t ‘defile’ human remains because the church was opposed to it.
Yes, because getting card-carrying Nice Guys dates is just as important as, say, finding an immunisation for smallpox and discovering the causes of the Bubonic Plague. Yep.
Or, you know, not.
You do realise you’ve just provided huge support for Mitch’s argument, right? Of course no one’s touched the subject, there’s no important benefit and you get jumped on by Feminazis, as you yourself have shown.
Oh, and stop with this ‘Nice Guys’ nonsense. You can’t go about accusing everyone who disagreed with you of being a fake ‘Nice Guy’ who’s angry with every woman who’s ever lived for not going out with him. Not if you want to be taken seriously, anyway.
LOL, I like how you are all upset about me picking on “poor Mitch”, but it’s quite all right for you to compare a woman trying to point out that Mitch’s arguments are poorly presented and not argued well to THE THIRD REICH.
Godwin’s Law.
Not really, it’s a common term used by many people, originally coined by feminists embarrassed by the likes of you who were rightfully a little peeved that you make a mockery of the cause.
You weren’t arguing that his points were badly presented at all, just screaming insults as you have done throughout this. I assume you also react in a similar way to people calling others ‘grammar nazis’?
“Gawd, Y only corrected Z’s grammar! That’s no excuse to compare him* to the THIRD REICH!!!!!!”
*Or her, for the sake of countering your inevitable argument of sexism.
Ehm, yes, it is. If women don’t get off their high horses and accept their role in society, the European race of human is going extinct. All this “equalization” is making sure that women can run away from their natural responsibility as child-carriers and nurturers. The fact that women don’t have time to take care of a child and therefore has none, is killing society. Too many single women who only gets one child -> the population cannot be supported -> we will go extinct. The only reason we’re not seeing this is actually because the rising number of muslims in Europe, America and Canada is keeping the human population up with their abnormally high birthrates.
Fail. The human race is in no way, shape or form in any danger of going extinct.
If one woman has one child, and the child’s father fathers TWO children, the population should PLATEAU, not fall.
There are seven billion people on the planet. Women have the right to choose not to have children.
Successful troll is successful.
I’m talking about the European race of the human species, aka Europeans and Canadian and American immigrants you stupid cow. Shut the hell up. Women CANNOT choose whether or not to have children, it is their JOB to raise children as members of their specific gender, just as it is OUR job as males to choose and impregnate the females we see fit. It is the law of nature and we’re breaking it, which is resulting in our society’s downfall. There is a reason Berlin is called Turkey’s second biggest city, it’s because there are more Muslims than actual Germans. See the Muslims have it figured out, women stay at home taking care of the children, while the men provide, like how it’s supposed to be. This is why they, the Muslims in France, have a birthrate of 8.1 PER FAMILY. While the French population is at a steady downfall at about 1.8. 2.11 is required to sustain a culture. In Canada it’s 1.6, in USA it’s 1.6, Europe as an average is 1.38. It’s your fault for choose equality and careers over family and your actual lot in life.
“I may just faint from all your hard data.”
Hot.
Well, you know, it’s SO big…
Do you know what else is so big?
No really do you? I am at a loss over here.
Can you name one person on this thread who stated that they think what this girl did is okay? Nope.
Also, “men have less of a right than women to act stupidly”? Never seen such a thing. I see men getting praised for crazy, reckless things all the time. Example 1.) I don’t think people would have accepted the show “Jackass” if it was women performing in it (unless, of course, they were supermodels in bikinis doing “sexy” stunts for a male audience). Example 2.): I almost never hear a man get called a “slut” for having casual sex with multiple partners.
Morals of the story: 1.) Cheaters of any gender suck, 2.) As edhla said, isolated instances of misandry do not equate to institutionalized society-wide sexism.
Please cite one example where it is okay for a woman to do something stupid, but not okay for a man. I don’t think the above example counts, because everyone had agreed thus far that she is a shrew, and not entitled to act as she has.
I am sympathetic to what you are saying, but this whole “men are victims of a double standard” versus “women are victims of a double standard” debate will really get us nowhere.
Sexism exists, it effects both men and women in different ways, and we should try our hardest not to perpetuate it.
What could I possibly cite? What people would actually bother researching into social inequality for men when society is more worried about inequality for women? It’s simply not an issue tackled by psychologists and social scientists, they wouldn’t get funded.
Actually, they do get funded, FYI. E.g. A study a while back that showed that women are considered more trustworthy on the stand in court than men, on average.
With that said, whatever double standard we guys are dealing with that causes disadvantages is still small compared to the institutional disadvantages which are still causing issues with women currently. While this might reverse itself within 30 years due to educational trends (i.e. women getting better educated than men), for right now a woman politician or CEO is practically a novelty.
And to be quite honest, I would rather have a 50% better chance of being a CEO than being able to score with some dippy chick or be able to cheat on my partner without people calling me sleazy. Because the first one benefits me, while the second one benefits no one substantially.
That’s a very poor attempt at weasling out of the question, Mitch. If you cannot provide ANYTHING solid to back up your words, you’d be better off not saying anything.
Again, your attitude is kind of sad.
well heres an example off the top of my head
how many of you men have been hit by a woman?
now how many of you men have hit a woman?
women hit men all the time. after all, we know that nothing settles an argument quite like a slap to the face and storming off. but what if a man was to hit a woman? much less acceptable. i see it all the time. women hitting men. and they can get away with it because they are perceived as the “weaker” sex.
You didn’t cite anything Nitwit.
They’re asking for a verifiable source that statistically shows some kind of double standard, that simply can’t happen because society doesn’t believe such a thing exists.
Women hit men all the time? Really?
I have no doubt that yes, some women think it’s all right to hit a man.
I have never hit a man. My sisters have never hit a man. My mother and grandmother have never hit a man. I honestly know of ONE instance of a woman hitting a man. She was charged just like anyone else would be.
It is never, ever okay to hit another human being in anger. Ever. However, the reason domestic violence against women is more emphasised than domestic violence against men is a) because it happens more, and b) the physical ramifications alone of it are more dire. A woman who strikes a man usually does it to humiliate him. Bad enough, against the law, and should be punished BY the law. But then, a man who hits a woman can frequently use enough force to slam her through a glass door.
Shut up and go to the kitchen.
Wow, so women are allowed be violent because they are the weaker sex? Double standard much?
Ah… I see. So this sexism is SO wide spread that there is even a conspiracy to surpass research into its existence. Tell me again why, in this woman dominated fantasy world you’ve constructed, I make less money than my male counterparts in the workforce?
Excuse me, *suppress
Maybe because he does a better job than you. Or maybe he negociated his contract better. Or maybe he got the guts to ask for a raise. Or maybe… (this could go on and on)
^This.
There are differences between genders. This is undeniable. Some jobs will have more women working there, some jobs will have more men working there. Women will on average be better than men at some jobs, and in other jobs men might have the advantage. With these differences (whether they’re innate or produced by upbringing) expecting the pay to be exactly the same is ridiculous.
Jane, if you believe your male colleagues are unfairly getting paid more than you I suggest you take it up with your manager, and if that doesn’t work then take it further. If they don’t work in the same establishment though, how is that sexism? I highly doubt there’s a hidden organisation which makes it so that businesses pay their employees equally fairly, but businesses with more women pay all their employees less so that on average women get paid less.
By the way, I want to clear one thing up. I’m very well aware that sexism against women exists on a societal level and I, along with every somewhat decent human being, am strongly against it. However, that does not mean that men aren’t ever the victims of sexism in some areas of society, nor does it mean that anti-male sexism should be ignored. I suppose you could call me a feminist for being in favor of equality and I don’t object to being described as that, but I don’t see the point in calling myself that. I don’t call myself a ‘masculist’ for being against sexism to men, nor do I call myself a ‘Scotist’ for being against racism to Scottish people, or ‘Asianist’ for being against racism to… well, you get the idea.
tl;dr: I’m in favor of equality, and so oppose sexism against both women and men. However, ignoring sexism against men because sexism against women happens (the example of some women not getting paid as much as men, for example) is both itself sexist and illogical.
I don’t care about this double standard you keep whining about. The fact is that as men we have an unfair, immoral advantage of women; we get paid better for doing the same jobs, we are less likely to experience domestic violence, and we are not objectified to nearly the same degree in the eyes of society (hence why I have decided to cut down on the amount of ‘questionable material’ I view on the internet by a signifigant degree). I know that sexism against men exists, but it’s nowhere near as problamatic or institutionalized as the kind of crap women have to put up with, and pretending otherwise makes you appear out of touch with reality.
You, sir, are full of win and awesome.
No wonder you have this trouble with “card carrying Nice Guys”. It’s not, as you believe, that all guys are like that, it’s just that you have that dramatic reaction to anyone making even a rubbish effort to be one.
“we are not objectified to nearly the same degree in the eyes of society”
Complete lie. It’s very much the opposite way around. A man casting a casual glance at a woman is a pervert. Women’s magazines, however, quite often rank men on how attractive they are, have a ‘torso of the week’ section, and so on. Then there’s the fact that a calender of a woman not wearing very much is disgusting, but calenders of men wearing virtually nothing is fine.
I won’t go on. All your claims are weakly justified, to say the very least.
this whole argument is stupid.
both sides have at some point made me go “wait….what?….you cant be that dense…”
Ha ha, really? I don’t think you know the definition of “objectification”. You are SERIOUSLY trying to make the claim that men are the REAL victims of sexual objectification in society? Have you ever watched a TV? Seen a Billboard? And let me ask you, as you are a man, how many times have women yelled offensive sexual things to you on the street that made you feel disrespected and threatened? Followed you to your car demanding your phone number? Made you feel physically and sexually threatened in public? Because, guess what, that happens to us all the time. Sexual objectification = treated like a sexual object without regard to personal thoughts or feelings. I doubt that happens to you on the near daily basis it happens to women.
You really live in a special world in your head if you think women are the ones running the show and reaping the rewards of a woman-dominated society.
Completely irrelevant to everything that’s been discussed.
What counts as an ‘offensive’ sexual things? I can’t know what you do, despite the fact you seem to be able to quite confidently claim to know what I do, but everyone I’ve met complaining to be offended by sexual remarks makes similar ones themselves, but that’s not offensive because “it’s just not”.
Also, I think it’s also worth pointing out that, whilst I am sympathetic to whatever problems you’ve been through, you can hardly say it’s because of institutionalised sexism. Yes, women face problems (you more than most, it seems) at the hands of a few creeps, but so does everyone. I have, in answer to your question, had ‘offensive sexual things’ shouted at me, been disrespected in such a manner, and so on.
Your first paragraph is nothing to do with objectification in a sexist sense, unless you think it’s males who cause this outlook to women. It’s not. I have yet to meet a guy who thinks twig figures are sexy, so whatever message women’s magazines spread it certainly doesn’t come from men.
As for your second, true enough. Onto the last, it’s certainly not denial at all. The only reason you feel that way, unless you live in a vastly different culture to my own (which you may do of course, in which case the problems of sexism against men may not be so great), is because it’s completely socially acceptable when it’s against men.
There has been tons of research into this! Heck, people have written whole books on the crisis of masculinity that Western society is facing today. Do I think they are all right? No. Do I think these are questions that should be asked? Of course. Any inequality should be tackled, but edhla was right a few posts up, there is a difference between institutionalized sexism and individual sexist beliefs. They are both ridiculous, and should not exist, but as long as they do the differences between them should be acknowledged.
Actually, I’m willing to admit I over-generalised my first comment, however, an increasing proportion of women in society are starting to have this approach, but definately not ALL of them like my comment seemed to be suggesting.
That’s probably why it came off as bitter… You’re free to continue assuming that my very accidental generalisation is my actual view, but you’ll lose intellectual integrity in my eyes.
P.S. Sorry to the people who agreed with my original comment, not ALL women would justify this girl’s actions, however it is becoming a common trend in society.
I know I’m late, so I’m not sure if you’ll see this and also I don’t like using personal references as I think truly good points shouldn’t need them…but whatever.
As a girl, I definitely feel like there are situations in which I seem to automatically draw the short straw purely because I’m female. If a guy has that same feeling in certain situations, then that’s not right either. It’s simply not fair to say that any instance of gender-related injustice against me is institutionalised sexism whereas that against you (I’m assuming you’re a guy, just because) is an isolated incident of misandrism. There could be a million ways this can be justified by statistics and facts, however using it to support the argument that incidents of sexism against women are somehow worse than those against men gets us nowhere, in addition to being thoroughly sophistic and nonsensical.
That said, I absolutely do not agree with your argument about men getting attacked for doing things that women don’t. For similar reasons, actually, but I won’t go into it as this comment is long enough already!
Basically, the point is – there’s incredible amounts of inequality that women still face to this day, but saying sexism against men is therefore not a big deal is completely ridiculous.
Very much agreed. Sexism undoubtedly exists against both genders and does so very commonly. However, as you said, saying that sexism against one sex exists and therefore sexism against the other isn’t a big deal is nonsensical. I suppose I can see the logic: men are most likely going to be responsible for sexism against women and vice versa, but to blame all people of that gender and consider ‘reverse sexism’ a valid punishment is itself, obviously, sexist and just perpetuates the problem.
THIS
not true. I’m female and my very first thought was disparaging against this girl.
? what? are you just lashing out at everyone? someones in a bad mood.
I’m starting to think they’re a troll from HBI.
Well, that’s one way of getting out of a proper discussion on the subject.
Not really. You’re going about ranting about teh ebul menz whenever anyone acknowledges sexism against them exists. Nowhere did anyone say that all women are the Satan spawn you claim they did. If you think that’s a proper discussion then you’re so hopelessly deluded that the mere notion of any real discussion with you becomes laughable.
Get back in the kitchen, X. Aren’t you forgetting we live in a society that discriminates horribly against men and is dominated by us women? That’s why you dudes will never be president. Go make me a sandwich. /sarcasm
Hey. My girlfriend couldn’t cook to save her life. That’s my job. I Like That Job. Don’t knock the sammich making!!!
I Love You.
Go read the post you replied to and apply it to yourself.
How can you not notice the painful irony there? No one ever said that we’re in a society dominated by women, blah blah blah. You and Edhla needing to pretend anyone’s ever said that speaks volumes, and the fact she supports that comment should make you realise it wasn’t very valid at all.
… I was in sarcastic agreement with “Person.” I think that if this exchange is truly as represented, the girl in question is either a horrible person, cluelessly young, or more likely, both.
She keepin her pimp hand strong i see
Meh, better in the long run, she’s a thoughtless whore with herpes anyway.
this is all a bit creepy
yeah but why would she be scared to tell her boyfriend she misses him?
oucchh.
I choose to believe, for my own sanity, that this has been mislabeled and the characters are not as portrayed.
I’m inclined to believe they’re young. Early high school maybe. Teenagers don’t need an excuse to be idiots, it comes with the age range.
I agree. The one in green has no car. Also, I think it actually make more sense if the EX thought this was about him and it turns out she was talking to the bf. Also the green is two different lengths. I wonder if that is not an error, but actually two different people?
I think that’s a red herring said by old people. Having seen both young people and old people, I am relatively certain that idiots need no excuse regardless of age range. The only difference is that as idiots age they tend to be marginalized into places where your average non-idiot wouldn’t run into them.
Hey! 30 isn’t old! *hrmph*
Besides, I was also factoring in the speech patterns and the fact that he needed her to pick him up.
also the fact that they simply can’t get letters in the right position. I myself am quite young, and believe me, it doesn’t come with the age range.
I jumped to both conclusions. My first thought is that they were still in high school or similar, and therefore have very little social grace (I still remember the days when we would break up with our SO’s without even bothering to tell each other. Oh, junior high, you were so terrible.) … then second thought and hoped thought is that this is mislabeled for the lulz.
Yeah, I was thinking she might be bi, one of my friends has a boyfriend and yet makes out and stuff with her friend (they’re not even bi though), it’s really a matter of social standards amongst the people involved.
A female doesn’t have to be bisexual or a lesbian to tell her other female friends they love them. Though I don’t exactly think it’s normal for two, straight best friends to make out with each other, as with your friends.
I actually see a lot of straight girls do this for attention. It can be kind if annoying if you’re actually bi or lesbian and the girl who’ve been making out with for an hour gets all weirded out when you try to take it to the next level.
Agreed! That drives me nuts. I call it “I Kissed a Girl and I Liked It” Syndrome. Makes it hard for actual bi girls and lezzies to get some real action… or even just a friggin’ date.
Move to Seattle. It seems if you step into the wrong part (or the right part depending on your perspective) of town and you’re never going to find a straight girl. I have no idea what it is about Seattle, but that city seems to have self segregated to a degree, walk to one part of town it’s all gay guys, walk to another all Asian women, walk to another all Indians, yet another you might find collage students. Head on down towards the waterfront and you will find a huge amount of Irish pubs, unfortunately they are all full of collage aged frat type boys and their hags.
It only happens at night, during the day everyone goes off to work and nobody cares.
true, but most girls i know only do it when they’re “drunk” (the quotation marks are there for a reason unfortunately). I think I’ve only heard of one instance of two straight girls making out while they were sober. I generally try not to surround myself with those people though >.<
Same with guys. We don’t need to be homos to tell each other we love one another.
Bromance is awesome
Seriously. You know horrible people.
For reals.
It seems we are in agreement. Mitch seems to have a lot of weird friends, to put it mildly.
You raised a good point. So far as I know, “kick it” is usually a phrase that refers to hanging around with your friends, not a date.
Er, kick it means to get butt. Or get it in the butt, in the female case. It can mean hang out, but usually, it’s a statement made from man to woman and vice versa, meaning that we’re going to hang out, with a general understanding that they’re going to kick boots together later on. Can also be said between close male and female friends [who have at some time or another kicked boots] or two females [who have probably tried kicking boots themselves], but almost never males, unless homosexual, usually.
Interesting. I’ve not heard of this new meaning of the word! If she’s as young as she sounds, using that as a sexual proposition is just… gross.
“Then we braid each other’s hair, strip down to our panties and have pillow fights.”
*HEAD EXPLODES*
If you’re old enough to have a girlfriend and can use the internet, you should be able to discern the difference between, “no” and “know.”
Ladidadida. I find this all very amusing.
Ok, these kinds of posts just pique my curiosity. Did he dump her afterward? Was there more dramax0rz? Oh god, inquiring minds want to know!
what if blue is not a guy at all?? what if blue is just one of her female friends? because the sad face and the cheer up little trooper make more sense coming out from a girl than a guy!
I’m sorry, but all the arguing up there kinda ruined it for me….
On the one hand, it did seem like people were taking it too seriously. On the other, it’s something that should be discussed. It doesn’t matter which side your on;racism, sexism,homophobia-it all should be talked about. Affirmative action and ignoring it are not going to help anything. I think it makes it worse. Besides, reading it was amusing, for me at least.
I know it needs to be talked about, but I just don’t think HERE was the place to do it. I mean, I may be naive and a little silly, but hey, that’s me. I did read a lot of it, though. It’s just when the replies got super long and quoting fact sheets and stuff like that is when I stopped reading. It’s too early to be reading all that :p
I can’t argue with your logic-but I’ll admit, I thought a few times telling them to cite their sources. But I am a university student, so citing everything is second nature. But it was rather early.
Definitely.
WOW!! this has touched so many nerves… LOL
And apparently EVERYONE is a sociologist and/or psychologist, what a happy little world we live in
No, nobody is. Sadly, everyone is going off of popularised stereotypes and personal experiences (including me) simply because there is no hard data on the sociological aspects of the argument.
Just because you haven’t heard of any doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Don’t ask me to actually come up with any myself, because I’m lazy, but unless you can cite something that says “Nope! No data exists!” then you’re being just as lazy.
I’d be pretty surprised if there was no data, though. This a pretty central topic of sociology, I thought.
… s!ut… I hope he dumped her.
This makes me wish I was gay.
Saturday night I was downtown
Working for the FBI
Sitting in a nest of bad men
Whiskey bottles piling high
To everyone who thinks this is fake or trolling or whatever. I posted this and that IS my ex gf. shes like my best friend/love of my life and we have this on/off thing. And she calls me boo cuz its our thing. The other guy, (who i found out today she is gonna marry, SMH) was in the doghouse at the time and she was coming over to watch movies wit me so i could cheer her up. And if you dont believe that, F*ck yourself.
Well it is good that you two remained friends even after breaking up, may I ask why you two broke up in the first place?