So yesterday, Sarah Palin stirred up a pretty heated debate by using the wrong word over Twitter. And when she got called out on it, she took to Facebook to strike back. Unfortunately for her, the internet returned fire, flagging her message as hate speech.
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I fail to see how this is a hate speech. Everything she said was true. It was a group of Islamic extremists that caused the atrocity we now know as 9/11. It’s not like she said “all Muslims are bad”. And it IS distasteful to erect a mosque so close to that site. That would be like building a museum full of Nazi memorabilia next to a synagogue. And if you think that’s proper then I pity you for you are blind.
After having lived in the Middle East, I can vouch first hand how intolerant they are to other religions.
Coming back to the Mosque. This is a bad idea. Because the muslims (especially the more extremist ones) will not view it as tolerance but as victory. Literally they will say “Look, we burnt down their towers and built a mosque on that spot”. This will do nothing but make more muslims sign up to their cause.
Seriously, I despise Sarah Palin, and probably would have flagged her myself just to be an ass, but HOW is what she wrote a hate speech? I actually think she made a very good argument, and although I don’t think any government should have the authority to stop a Mosque from being built there, doing so is just plain disrespectful of the dead. IT’D BE LIKE ERECTING A STATUE OF HITLER IN WARSAW. Do they have the right to? Sure. Will I feel bad when it gets fire bombed? Nope. I just hope it’s empty when that happens.
So flag THAT as a hate speech. And this: RELIGION IS A PLAGUE. I use to think that at least it gave people hope and made them happy, but now I see it only gives them false hope, deprives them of the things in life that bring happiness and is used by ‘spiritual leaders’ to control and manipulate people into committing atrocities. And hey, Christians, don’t think we’re just bashing Islam here. Remember the crusades? The inquisition? The KKK? You and the Muslims must be vying for title of ‘Bloodiest God’.
1. Islam as a religion is not a bad thing. It holds principles very similar to Christianity (*gasp* might we say, almost exactly the same?) and its practitioners can be found all across the world. The millions who practice Islam should not be held responsible for the small faction who are so blinded by hate that they kill innocents. So all this talk of Islam and its similarity to Nazism is simply untrue. A mosque is a place of worship, a place of peace, not a breeding ground for hostility. It seems we would be more welcome of peace in such a soul-battered area of our country.
2. If we use Sarah Palin’s logic, Christian churches should have never been allowed inside Jerusalem as Christian zealots ransacked the city more than a few times, killing many in, you guessed it, the Crusades. Also, I seem to remember certain pilgrims who crossed the great pond only a few generations ago and decimated the new land’s population, driving them away from their holy ground and killing thousands with impunity. Are you saying that churches should not be allowed in America, then? Are they not disrespectful to the dead of the many Native American tribes who used to flourish here, by your logic?
In the end, 9/11 was, yes, a horrible event. As Americans, we will always grieve the loss of that day. But to hold the whole of the Islamic community in blame for the actions of a small, self-righteous faction would be like saying that all Christianity is wrong because of the Crusades, or some other bloody action during the long history of the faith.
A neat analogy is : “Muslim fanatics is to islam what the KKK is to christianity.”
The KKK is not a christian group. They just happen to have “Christians” in their rank. Also, muslim fanatics aren’t a group in the same sense as the KKK is. In other words, failnalogy.
Yes it is. The KKK consider themselves a sect of christianity. They are all about Christian Reconstructionism, and in this case it would be the reconstruction of America by the cleansing of races. Be it white supremacy.
Also fanatics in any religion arent always a certain named group this is true. But in this case of a rather simple analogy attempting to be breif and show that not all muslims are fanatics, and that america has equal fanaticism you my friend have taken it and shoved your failnalogy back in your mouth.
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Even if a person calls them-self Christian, they have to ACT Christian to BE Christian. The KKK is NOT Christian at all.
Okay, this comment is stupid enough for me to actually post something for once. By that same reasoning, muslim fanatics are not muslims because they do not act muslim, as defined by the vast majority of the world’s 1.6 billion muslims.
Yeah, gonna go with Alltat on this one, that’s pretty much a monumentally retarded statement… Good work Zailla…
A neat analogy that was coined and quoted directly from a special episode (Season 3 Episode 00) of The West Wing. If you quote things, you should note their origin.
You apparently don’t know much about Christianity or Islam either theologically or historically. Christianity’s heart is to love God and to love your neighbor as Christ loves the Church. Islam’s very name means submission. Two very opposite principles. Christianity began (and continues) spreading through hundreds of years of martyrdom (without suicide bombings, the Muslim version) while Islam began by conquering territories and then forcing the inhabitants to convert.
2. The Crusades where a defensive war. Jerusalem had been Christian and was conquered by the Muslims. Then the Muslims began attacking the Byzantine empire and the emperor asked the Christian west for help. The Crusades where a reaction to prior Muslim war.
P.S. Also, the Pilgrims didn’t kill any Indians but made friends with them (Squanto, the first Thanksgiving…). Other Europeans did kill Indians (not with impunity) but don’t blame the Pilgrims.
Ummm…… Where did you get your facts from? All of them?
As a response to the whole conquering territories thing. While the Spanish Inquisition isn’t conquering, it was to kill non-Christians. So as a result it converted through fear, the same method you say Islam spread.
The dark ages were not times that christians LOVED god but FEARED him. Only during the renaissance did people start to worship god because they loved him.
And while it is free speech it is hate speech because she is stereotyping and anyone who Understood the bill of rights would understand that it would be unconstitutional to not allow Muslims to worship on these hallowed grounds. It would be like not allowing people of the Jewish faith to worship at the national cathedral.
P. S. “a cereal box” is an acceptable answer for my first question.
And “Islam” actually translates into “succombing to the will of god”
Are you fu*k*ng serious????
How many generations of inbreeding did it take to get to a gem like you? Go get yourself a library card
Besides, Christians are allowed to build a god damned church any where they want, and a Muslim mosque isnt allowed to be there.
Excuse your f**king fatass, that is the exact same thing you f**king Muslims are doing to the Christians in Islamic countries so shut your f**king mouth and get out of Christian-ruled countries.
Wow; issues much?
The U.S. is supposed to be built on a foundation of freedom; freedom of worship, freedom of speech, freedom of religion. NOT just christianity. ANY religion.
Islamic ruled countries are not run by our constitution. They have their own rules in their own countries. They do not permit other religions to be established there. We expect people to follow our laws if they want to be here; why should we expect to be treated any differently by another nation?
Our rules here are freedom of religion; not freedom of just OUR religion.
So, to get in the spirit of things, shut your f**king fatass and learn about other cultures, not just your parent’s basement.
Good lord, you nearly eclipse the OP in idiocy.
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Are you for real? I mean, did you actually graduate from a high school believing this garbage? I mean, it takes dedication to be that deluded. Go read a book that wasn’t written by King James.
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third gets a P.S.
moron.
Um, Ridley, what’s your PS all about?
Lebanon Twin towers?? Lebanese men, women and children were killed first? wth?
Besides, what does Americans killing Lebanese people and destroying the “Lebanon twin towers” have to do with Al-Quaida and 9/11?
I as a muslim disagree with him, what he said was wrong. Lebanon thing involved a small group of americans(the army) killing civiallians, and those that died in twin towers were also civillians, there according to Islam twin towers was wrong, and the attackers will be punished in hell, according to Islam
uh . . . whoa. i mean, i knew to expect a load of long, long comments on religous stuff and why this is good and why this is bad when i read that option on the poll ‘i will be leaving a wall of text on the comments’ but . . . seriously? i mean, surely you got bored after like the first paragraph of that? i know religion is a big thing but . . . . . . whoa. thats more than a wall of text. muccch more.
But, wait; by bringing up the Crusades, doesn’t that mean you are holding Christians accountable for it?
Plus, those religions completely different. You forget that the reason so many Jews died in the Holocaust is because a Muslim sent them. Of course, you can also credit Edward L. Bernays for the Holocaust. He came up with using propaganda to shape the human mind. Of course, you can also just credit Hitler, because he was psychotic. I could go on and on about this*, but anyway…
Here’s the thing–most Christians are not extremists. I’ve seen extremists and I don’t like them. Personally I try to accept most views. But I cannot accept most Muslims. In their book of rules, it’s said that they’re supposed to wash the world in Jewish blood and get rid of any resistance. If I went to the Middle East, not counting Israel, I’d be hung. You do realize that, right? I’m…not liked by the Christian cults, but Muslims want me dead. I’d side with the Christians, then, obviously.
Plus, Christians don’t kill their children if they change…ideals…and how they dress…
Basically, yes, the Bible is very messed up–but killing is bad in it. Plus, the Bible has people in it, how wonderful could it get?
Side Note: I’m biased because I’m friends with Jews and I think Thomas Paine was brilliant. I believe Freedom of Speech and expression are okay, but Muslims make my hackles rise. They can do what they want, okay, but don’t think you should get friendly with radicals. Extremists are bad in most cases, especially when they want to kill large numbers of people…
Basically as my rule of thumb: you do what you want, but if you involve me or the people I care about I…won’t be very nice.
*Did you know the first person killed by Hitler was a blind, deaf, and deformed baby named Baby Kraumer? They thought they were being merciful. Next, they killed old people, invalids, and mentally-challenged people–to be merciful. Think about that when you remember Margaret Sanger and her “Negro Project”… She was that KKK speaker that started Planned Parenthood, don’t you know?
“Here’s the thing–most Christians are not extremists.”
-Neither are most muslims
“I’ve seen extremists and I don’t like them. Personally I try to accept most views. But I cannot accept most Muslims. In their book of rules, it’s said that they’re supposed to wash the world in Jewish blood and get rid of any resistance.”
-Have you read the bible? seriously? people in glass houses really should be throwing stones on this one the bible is just as bad with the whole “lets kill people who don’t agree with us” thing (no seriously “in order to protect these ‘angels’ please take and rape/kill my daughters” “if your child/wife disobeys you stone them to death” “God wants 10,000 foreskins so you can marry my daughter lol jk actually we’re going to kill you all”
-Look up ‘blood simple’ for some lovely christian anti-Jewish propaganda and then there’s ‘the protocols of the learned elders of Zion’ which will give you a bit more.
“If I went to the Middle East, not counting Israel, I’d be hung. You do realize that, right?”
-Only if you broke the law. They don’t tend to go around lynching people who mind their own business… unlike the KKK who are???? That’s right Christian.
-Now are we objecting to the death penalty in general or hanging in particular? If the former well American’s are really not in a position to criticise on that one. If it’s the latter well apparently hanging (long drop not short drop) and beheading are actually the quickest way’s to go and result in the least stress for the victim
“I’m…not liked by the Christian cults, but Muslims want me dead. I’d side with the Christians, then, obviously.”
-You know what? Fundamentalist muslims only want me dead. Fundamentalist Christians want me to burn in a lake of fire whilst being tortured for all eternity hmm how do I chose between those two appealing prospects?
“Plus, Christians don’t kill their children if they change…ideals…and how they dress…”
-why all the full stops? It’s unnecessary.
-that is a tiny tiny handful of cases
-no Christian parents kill their children because “we’ll be reunited in heaven”(too many to link to), “because you said this word wrong” (Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz)or “because you’re possessed”(again too many to link to) or in some cases they’re just jump on and repress the child so much they commit suicide (gay kids being sent to ‘make you straight’ camps).
Pretty much every religion has something to be ashamed of in it’s history. Every religion has mentally defective idiots who take it too damn far. You can’t write off any religion on the basis of a few ridiculous zealots… it just doesn’t work.
You are so f**king retarded it hurts my unborn children.
Jews are dhimmi. As in muslims are forced to accept and respect jews as equal, or at least almost equal to muslims.
So shut your fat f**king face you moron.
How the f**k do you know???
Live in Israel for a while we’ll see what you have to say after.
Did you even read the letter? There is more going on here than simple xenophobia. Look at the track record of the imam in charge of the effort – a shady character to say the LEAST, and yes, mosques in western countries are often (not always – i know) breeding grounds for anti-western sentiment, resistance to integration, and violent ideals.
Just because there are peaceful muslims and a faith is never inherently brutal, since there are different ways of reading and practicing any faith, does not mean this should be allowed.
It’s nice and fuzzy and comfy to think that we’re all pals and we can get along, but if this imam felt the same way you wish we all did, he wouldn’t be doing this.
This isn’t hate speech. She’s not lashing out at ALL MUSLIMS. She is opposing the construction of A SPECIFIC MOSQUE RIGHT NEXT TO GROUND ZERO. What the f**k, people.
I don’t see how it was hate speech. She didn’t say anything about the Muslims as a whole, she, as stated above, pointed out that the person that wanted to build the mosque was not trustworthy. It isn’t hate speech, and I agree with her views. It would be insensitive to build a mosque there because, whether or not all Muslims were supporting the terrorists of that day (I’m not saying they were), and whether you like it or not, it IS a representation of the nation that attacked us.
However, I don’t think any church, Christian or otherwise, should be built there, but I don’t think people, of any religion, should be kept from worshiping there and paying their respects. There weren’t just Christians in that building that day, just like there weren’t just Christians on those planes. I don’t believe that there should be any building of worship built there, simply because it wasn’t just Christians that died. But, since this is primarily a Christian nation, I do think it would be a good idea to build a Christian church near the sight. But I don’t think people of other religions should be barred from the church.
Most Muslims supported it because of what happened in Lebanon. America attacked their twin towers, in the process killing many lebanese and Muslim men, women and children. Osama Bin Laden then attacked in retaliation to this incident, killing american people, BECAUSE of wat they did in Lebanon. America should hav seen it coming
It was hate speech regarding stereotypical Muslims
Regina is dead on the money.
To say that building a Muslim mosque so close to ground zero is insensitive, leads to the logical progression that all Muslims believe in the fanatical ideology of the 911 hijackers. This is hate speech. I don’t think it can be more obvious.
Let me show you exactly what she said, and if you think I am twisting her words, by all means please re-read the second last paragraph in its entirety. It says exactly the same thing.
Sarah Palin: “I agree with…a New York resident who said: ‘…I think it is…audacious…for them to build a mosque…specifically so that they could be in proximity to where the atrocity happened’. ”
Sarah Palin actually believes that the whole mosque and Islamic center is being built out of spite for Americans. Who is “they”? Who does she think is going to be going to this mosque? Who is this mosque being built for? NY residents! She is implying that all Muslims who live in downtown Manhattan either already believe that the 911 terrorists did the right thing, or will be indoctrinated to by Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf. She denounces the controversial things he has said… even if her claims were absolutely correct (which is totally preposterous) don’t the ‘evil terrorist NY Muslims’ have the right to say whatever they want? To stir up angst and hate against whomever they want? This is America after all. There is the right to free speech. American citizens are granted the right to say anything? Its this fundamental constitutional right which is allowing her to breed biggotry with this very Facebook note.
In Canada, we all have the right to free speech. We do NOT have the right to incite hate. Hate speech is a criminal offense, (something Anne Coulter couldn’t get her head around) and all the banter about this planned Islamic center would be condemned as such.
“All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith — face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It’s a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It’s a faith based upon love, not hate.”
President George W. Bush Holds Round table with Arab and Muslim-American Leaders
Afghanistan Embassy, Washington, D.C.
September 10, 2002
Attention tl;dr f*ktards: Your hollow rebellion is more ironic than you know. Crazy neo-con hatemongers like Palin are a serious threat to your snarky self-absorbed lifestyle. There’s an ideological war raging to redefine your future. Keep up the apathy, and one day you might just find yourself microchipped, head shaved, passport revoked, making license plates in a “security camp” for refusing your bird flu shot or taking herbal supplements. Wait, oh darn, I’ve gone over their 140 character attention spans… and I used long sentences full of big words and complicated ideas… all is lost…
I can see you chose the “wall of text” option
Not that anyone’s going to read this because I’m posting super late in the game, but you guys know that the thing being built 2 blocks from ground zero is a COMMUNITY CENTER, don’t you? A Muslim sponsored YMCA type of thing. And it’s being built in an old Burlington Coat Factory building. But of course the media had to give it the label “mosque” and run amok with it, stirring up controversy.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reasons-the-ground-zero-mosque-debate-makes-no-sense/
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Exactly.
Why it is impossible to define hate speech;
The people who voted “Facebook shouldn’t be a farm used to cultivate hate speech” would vote for “freedom of speech” if it agreed with their views.
Yes but this wouldnt apply too most people as it isnt free speech if you offend someone and most people’s comments that they find agreeable are no offensive
I’m offended by your use of too instead of to, David.
I don’t find that agreeable. Therefore, it’s hate speech.
Hate Speech is clearly defined, but you must understand all of the words and concepts included in the definition, dear.
Good luck with that!
Wait, is the issue Sarah Palin or the mosque. I’m just going to assume it’s both.
Look Sarah Palin is, in my opinion, an idiot that honestly has her countries best intrests at heart. That doesn’t make her any less of an idiot but still she has a right to say or write whatever the hell she wants as long as it doesn’t tell people to do harm to others so leave her alone.
And on the issue of the mosque I think that it’s more of a testament of how alive the ideas that our country was founded on if it is built. It says that “Since you are a citizen, you my friend have the right to worship whatever you want, wherever you want without fear of reprive, from ANYONE.” That also means that they can build their house of worship wherever they want so long as they pay for the land. Hell if they wanted to build it on ground zero for christ sakes they could if they had the money to pay for the land. I’m rambling now but what I’m trying to say is that it says more good about the moral character of America if the mosque is built then if it isn’t just because of how close it is to ground zero.
Lastly on religion… i think that the real issue is that people confuse faith with religion… faith is for the most part good, religion on the other had is not. And by religion I mean organizations, i.e. groups of people who try to dictate what others should and shouldn’t believe in. Organised religion creates the classic “us vs them” situation that inevitably leads to conflict, prejudice, hate and stuff like that. I think that if religion as an organisation ceased to exist, and people just kept their faith (or lack there of) to themselves, this whole era of violence would slowly disappear. Something that I’ve come to realize as I shifted through life is that anyone who claims to know more than anyone else when it comes to god, the universe or whatever you want to call that higher intelligence is full of horse s**t.
Anyway just my two cents.
peace and love to everybody
Faith is belief without evidence. Last I checked, that is not good in any situation except a having faith in a particular person, but even then it’s usually someone you know well enough that it counts more as trust than faith. If it’s a stranger it is rarely good because you rarely don’t get screwed by the stranger. Yes, religion is bad for the above-mentioned reasons, but also because of the requirement of faith. Now before you try to slough off my opinion as doing exactly what you said I shouldn’t do (i.e. not keeping my faith or obvious lack thereof to myself), you just before that gave your own ideas on faith. In giving your view on religion, you claim to know more about “god, the universe or whatever you want to call that higher intelligence” than any member of a religion, who believes that god, etc. wants that particular sect of that particular religion followed.
faith is fine, everyone believes something crazy or s**tty but it doesn’t necessarily make them crazy or s**tty people. judge people based on their actions, don’t worry about their personal beliefs – you’d probably never understand it anyway since it’s not your brain.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith
I think he was going for definition one, or the first four words of definition three, and what he actually said was “I’ve come to realize…that anyone who claims to know more than anyone else when it comes to god, the universe or whatever you want to call that higher intelligence is full of horse s**t.” The parts before you misquoted him(that last sentence) are still valid because neither of you are bringing your belief systems into this, just your opinions on organized religion.
Very well put.
Rigid supremacist ideologies destroy what doesn’t conform. Doesn’t matter if you invoke the name Jesus or Mohammed or Quetzacoatl. No one that dares think or act independently is safe under the rule of zealots.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/12648/3010/45/578646
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/joels-army-and-call
Problem is that the person who wants to build the mosque is the same person who sees us a great evil in the world. Now, if it were a group of moderate Muslims who came humbly with their proposal while being careful to give us great deference that such a tragedy had occurred at the site nearby, there might be a different reaction.
It would be like us building a McDonald’s at Mecca.
Seriously… how about a little common decency at the very least. While it may not be “wrong” to build the mosque, it definitely offends many sensibilities. For that reason alone, the whole thing should be dropped.
finally someone who makes sense, UGGGHHH THANK YOU SIR
If some Americans went and crashed a plane into Mecca, and then tried to build a church there, I doubt they would let us because of “religious tolerance”.
Yeah because crashing a plane into a holy area then desicrating there religion by putting your own ideals there isnt very religiously tolerant and like that jesus book said the cast the first stone thing (dont complain im tired and the internetz bores me although 1 milion internetz pointz for any one who get the right quote)
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
“He who is without sin shall trow the first stone”
Jesus to the men who were about to stone a woman for adultery
“Only those without sin may throw the first stone”.
Ha, I paid attention in R.E >:D
y’all are probably all correct given all the different bibleversions available on the biblemarket today.
americans wouldnt even get in mecca because its stated in the law that as a nonbeliever (non muslim) you are allowed to kill him without a penalty or jail time it wouldnt be the first time that rare footage of christians getting lynched in mecca got thrown off the internet
Ok, now alot of you are acting like the towers were religious grounds in the first place, which they weren’t; your refrences and analogies make no sense. Also, as many have posted, this is America, and we ARE founded on freedom, they can build whatever they want, as long as they have the permits to build. In America, we have no national religion, no national language, we are a BLENDED culture; leave the people alone, it is no ones place to tell them they can not build their building there!
Sarah Palin’s right to express her wrong beliefs are protected by the same amendment that protects the rights of Muslims to build a Mosque near (not on) ground zero.
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This is just a very touchy subject, and I think people from both sides of this argument have valid points. But I think it all depends on the motive for building a Mosque near Ground Zero. If I were Muslim, I think I’d view it as a way of showing others that most people from my religion/culture don’t necessarily share the same values and beliefs that Muslim Extremists do, or the 9/11 Terrorists did. That’s just my opinion.
That’s not hate speach. This is hate speach
“I hope sarah Palin Falls off a cliff into a vat of sulferic acid and gets eaten by crodidiles with aids because she’s a dumb f**king slut who doesn’t even take care of her own kids.”
Wow. Read the dictionary much?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Rich, white Christian neocon Republicans aren’t a “protected class” under civil rights law, because it isn’t necessary. Saying “I wish the KKK would assassinate that dirty Communist Kenyan in the White House” is hate speech. It’s racially motivated, and the threat of subsequent action is very real. As opposed to the gay crocodile/acid/cliff scenario aimed at a polarizing public figure because she aspires to the highest office in the land. Not because she’s Alaskan or whatever your point was.
Hate speech is not the frustrated revenge fantasy of a marginalized, powerless individual. It is an act of intimidation and threat by a dominant person or group.
If you’d ever been on the receiving end of hate speech, or a hate crime, you would know the difference.
Gay Crocodiles? noone said they were gay, did you assume they were gay because they have AIDs? tut-tut
Free speech is a right, but some people lack the common sense not to say stupid, idiotic garbage.
While I can see both sides of the argument clearly as something not black and white, I hate the fact that the two towers site is now called ‘Hallowed ground’. it is in no way, shape or form, even remotely religious. It promoted a lot of things the bible goes against (gambling for one, with the whole stock exchange thing. You could never know if you were going to get rich or lose it all short of admittedly hazy plans).
I really do feel that this mosque should be built, as a sign that it’s in the past. We know it happened, and we know who was responsible, and it obviously wasn’t the general Islamic faith. having that Mosque there would prove that we as Americans would be able to get over the fact that we are stupid, fat, ugly, narcissistic, stereotyping, superstitious pigs, and be able to put that aside long enough to make peace with a generally all good faith with similar values.
And Regina (earlier comment) is entirely right over the idea that Christianity, in many of it’s denominations and forms have caused widespread damage and caused mass extinction. The problem there is, it isn’t just one denomination (say Catholic in pure example, crusades and that) it’s most of the older ones, and a few new ones. Instead of being able to count on our fingers the ‘bad’ denominations, we are counting on our fingers the ‘good’ denominations. (and by good, / bad I mean by general moral standing point of giving to the sick and poor, not killing everyone who disagrees and starting pointless wars).
Ending this final rant, the Mosque is in no way an attack on Americans or the Christian faith, its just a f**king building where they pray and do their thing. It’s against human rights to refuse them that!
“I hate the fact that the two towers site is now called ‘Hallowed ground’. it is in no way, shape or form, even remotely religious. It promoted a lot of things the bible goes against (gambling for one, with the whole stock exchange thing.)”
The Economy is America’s God
Ain’t that the truth. Maybe they should put a giant statue of a Golden Calf there.
Rite on the mark you and the above comment hell yeah
everything you say is true, but my reservations.. I has them
You DO know that Stock exchange isn’t exactly gambling right? Yes, there is luck involved, but for the most part people do extensive research and strategy to decide what they should or should not buy.
1. Sarah Palin is a dumb as a stone.
2. She can not throw a stone 2 city blocks (600 feet), I do not know anyone that can, so her desire to protect Ground Zero from stone throwing Muslims 600 feet away is already fulfilled.
3. Sarah Palin is also an idiot.
F**k Sarah Palin.
There’s already a mosque right near where the Towers stood. What’s the problem with adding another one?
Also, there’s a Shinto shrine right near the USS Arizona memorial. Life is full of coincidences that people need to stop making big deals out of.
How about worrying about the McDonald’s that’s conveniently placed next to the Bally’s instead of where a church or temple or mosque are located.
People just need to understand the difference between the 99.999% of Muslims who are generally peaceful and kind people, and the .001% of Muslims who interpreted the teachings of their religion the wrong way and caused the death and destruction we saw on September 11th, 2001, or supported those that caused it. The beliefs of a very small part of a group do not affect the beliefs of the whole. Remember, the Ku Klux Klan and the members of the Westboro Baptist Church all consider themselves Christians. Are the rest of the billion-plus people who follow the Christian or Catholic faith persecuted as a whole for the horrible deeds these two groups have committed?
They’re Christian why would they be their ” the only right religion” after all
I think Deuteronomy 24:16 says it all, “Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.” We all need to try and stop judging people just because of what others of the same group might have done. If this isn’t paranoia than I don’t know what is.
would sarah palin have a problem with it if it was a church, or a gun store?
What would have happened if she became president……
She would have been shot for being an idiot?
sarah palin should be shot
First of all, Regina is dead on the money.
To say that building a Muslim mosque so close to ground zero is wrong, leads to the logical progression that all Muslims believe in the fanatical ideology of the 911 hijackers. This is hate speech. I don’t think it can be more obvious. Muslim and terrorist are NOT the same thing. 911 had nothing to do with American Muslims, it had everything to do with foreign terrorists living in America. To say that these American Muslims are being disrespectful, is implying that they have some real association with the 911 terrorists.
Let me show you one snippit of exactly what she means, and if you think I am twisting her words, by all means please re-read the second last paragraph in its entirety. It says exactly the same thing.
Sarah Palin: “I agree with…a New York resident who said: ‘…I think it is…audacious…for them to build a mosque…specifically so that they could be in proximity to where the atrocity happened’. ”
Sarah Palin actually believes that the whole mosque and Islamic center is being built out of spite for Americans. Who is this mysterious “they” who are building the mosque? Who does she think is going to be going to this mosque? Who is this mosque being built for? NY residents!
Firstly she wants deny them the right to practice their religion in this area. How is that fair and tolerent?
Secondly, she is implying that all Muslims who live in downtown Manhattan either already support 911 attacks, or will be indoctrinated to support them by Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf. She denounces the controversial things he has said… and even if her claims were absolutely correct (which is totally preposterous) don’t the ‘evil terrorist NY Muslims’ have the right to say whatever they want? To stir up angst and hate against whomever they want? This is America after all. There is the right to free speech. American citizens are granted the right to say anything! Its this very fundamental constitutional right which is allowing her to breed biggotry with her hateful words.
In Canada, we all have the right to free speech. We do NOT have the right to incite hate. Hate speech is a criminal offense, (something Anne Coulter couldn’t get her head around) and all the banter about this planned Islamic center would be condemned as such.
“All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith — face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It’s a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It’s a faith based upon love, not hate.”
President George W. Bush Holds Round table with Arab and Muslim-American Leaders
Afghanistan Embassy, Washington, D.C.
September 10, 2002
Why does everyone assume that anyone who is Muslim is evil && plans to kill all Christians?
No. ALL religions have extremists, and they always will. Just because we see more in the news about Muslim extremists than Christian (I wonder why), does NOT mean its any worse. We should stop hating on the entire Muslim community, because MOST of them are just normal people. If you want to hate a whole group of people based on work by psychopathic groups intent on controlling the world’s religion, go ahead and hate everyone on Earth, except maybe athiests. ((Not quite sure if they have extremist groups, but hey: anything could happen.)) I’m a Christian, but I am more than well aware of the events in Waco, for example.
Just my 2 cents. =)
I am from the UK and may be a bit numb to US politics, but generally at sites of tragedy and loss of life people either build memorials, or leave the site as it is. Is this some sort of “turn the dead child’s room into a gym” sort of thing for America?
Why are they even contemplating building anything there… at least make it a park or a fountain…
9/11 was an inside job…come on people ..open your eyes. Dont stay stupid forvere…seek the truth…..
Peace to You All.
*cough* Crusades *cough*
Now if people would realize the similarities between the two religions, and that this “war” has been going on for centuries (yes “war” – whether you consider it one or not, at least one side considers it a war). This entire conflict has been perpetuated by extremists on both sides for hundreds of years and it’s really pretty silly when you get right down to it.
“A religious war is just people killing each other over who has the better imaginary friend.”
(Which, in this case, is the same imaginary friend if I remember correctly.)
Great quote. Maybe I’ll start a church that worships my smart-aleck groundhog who plays guitar…
The problem is not with the mosque, but the people behind it. It is rumored (according to trusty Wikipedia) that the Inman (Priest/Pastor) has ties to radical/extremist Islamic groups. It would be like a ‘Christian’ group blowing up an abortion clinic, then builds their church down the street.
where’s the proof that 9/11 was perpetrated by islamic extremists? as far as I know we’re all still just taking the MSM’s word for it. All the planes and all the bodies of the terrorists were vaporized but several passports survived the fireball? that’s our proof? Apply a hint of logic to the official story and watch it unravel. This is all designed to breed hate, divide, conquer. How about let’s be smart and not feed into it.
I think it’s pretty obviously biased. If it were Buddhist extremists that bombed it, we’d resist a Buddhist Shrine, and so on and so forth with other religions; but I have a feeling that if it was Christian extremists, the mass opinion would have no problem building a church there. We hold accountable an entire race for the actions of select few. We as Americans get that too, thought worldwide as “stupid” and “arrogant” because our public face is just that, and we fiercely defend that many of us are intelligent and…well, humble isn’t word used often anymore, sadly. However, we seem to forget we’ve stood in the middle of this target and throw others onto it. If anything should be built there, I think it should be something that celebrates all cultures and all religions of the world, harmoniously shown together under one building and inviting many people of these various viewpoints to see how similar we are in the end. But that’s just my opinion ^_~.
Jews did 9/11. End of the discussion.
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(Facepalm) What is WRONG with Failbook? Do they honestly not realize that this will cause a massive flame war?
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The answer is soooo simple. Let them build the mosque. Encourage it to be as lavish as possible. Then crash a drone into it.
I’m no racist, far from, seeing I myself am 1/2 Turkish 1/2 German
but building a Mosque on Ground Zero…
That would be like Putting a Jesus cross (a big one) at Mekka near the Cube.
There are some things that shouldn’t be done.
No, it wouldn’t.
The twin towers were never a place of worship, or Christian holy ground.
I’m sorry, but this is just ignorant. I believe that every body has the right to free speech, so it doesn’t really bother me that much what she said. What bothers me is all these “good christians” not being willing to forgive. It talks in the bible about turning the other cheek and forgiving the people who hurt us. I can understand why people have issues with this, but come on, be the bigger person and practice what you preach.
I wonder if muslims have awful stereotypes about us white people.
boy do they. especially the black mulsims in america. i have literally heard song being taught to children about them. terrible words, and they sing them like its a nursery rhyme
I don’t think this is hate speech, that sounds more like an opinion. She doesn’t say “I don’t want a mosque because it’s muslim, or foreigner, or else”. Meh. Maybe I’m too dumb and I don’t get it.