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meh.
Oh humanity, you so crazy.
This s**t always happens in Tokyo. Some emo whiner wants to be noticed, so he kills himself on the train tracks, inconveniencing millions of people.
I agree entirely with both of these people (or pink if violet was being sarcastic). If someone wants to bump themself off (a selfish act in itself), they should at least do it in a way that doesn’t cause suck for other people.
Actually, suicide attempts are a cry for attention. They happen exactly because of people like the pink one, who go through their lives happily oblivious to other people’s problems.
Umm… You obviously have never actually done any research into this subject….
Most suicides are NOT just a cry for attention. It’s true that a lot of the people who threaten suicide are just looking for attention, but most of the people who actually attempt it are not looking for attention.
While cry for attention may not be the best way to put it, it really is to grab attention – to get someone to STOP them and re-enforce belief that, to someone, their life is worth living.
Those that do it for attention are just more pathetic versions of those with blogs. Well, maybe just a little bit less pathetic:P.
No… still wrong…
A person who has decided to commit suicide, will commit suicide. They aren’t looking for someone to convince them otherwise. Have you ever tried talking someone down from suicide? They’re not happy that you’re trying to convince them not to…
Actually a person who has decided to commit suicide wouldnt have stood on the bridge long enough to get attention from police and EMTs trying to talk them down. They would have been found downstream floating before anyone even knew theyd been on the bridge. Going out in public like that is always a cry for attention. People who actually want to die do it privately.
is jumping from a bridge a good way to kill urself? I mean, is an instant dead?
Depends on how you land.
If you suck at swimming
Oh my God, leo. You really care?
No, you slowly and very uncomfortably drown, after doing a epic and painful belly-flop. If the bridge is over a river, anyway.
It’s a cry for attention. What Keidub said, basically.
This entire exchange is enough to make people want to die.
And if the bridge is tall enough, you’ll die from the splash against the water.
Damn those gravities and accelerationses..es!
I know this bridge. Po-town is Poughkeepsie NY, I live right near there. The bridge is the Mid-Hudson Bridge, it is about 140 ft above the hudson. You will easily be killed if you don’t jump feet first, and even going feet first people have been knocked out and then drowned. It’s a fairly regular suicide attempt area. It’s also not a quick leap because there is a short fence to climb over first.
The Golden Gate bridge is considered to be the most popular place in the world to commit suicide. Most people die from the impact on the water.
Actually, depending on the height, what happens is the person slams into the water. The surface tension of the water is like slamming through concrete, and most likely the person will shatter his/her bones. Only sometimes will the person hit the water at an angle for easy entry into the water. Most of the time, though, they just jump, flail, smack, crack, die.
Anyways, this person is lucky it only takes an hour. If someone wants to jump off one of the main bridges where I live, traffic is jammed up for 4-6 hours!
deep down inside their shattered hearts they are. It’s all a wall, the more they get pissed, the more you re-assure them they are worth living. Therefore, they keep hearing beautiful things about themselves
Some people do it for attention, others do it because they really want to die. Like some one else on here said, if they do it publicly they probably are hoping, even if only sub consciously, that someone will stop them. If they do it in private, they just want to die. Sometimes people will hang themselves in public places in order to send a message (a hanging in front of a childrens school occurred near my house a couple weeks ago).
It all depends on the context, don’t try to group all suicidal people together like they are a animal on animal planet.
And you have?
Can I hear an Amen? You, sir, or ma’am, are wise
i’d say it depends.. if they are actually trying to commit suicide with no one around then yes, probably not a cry for attention, but if they are just talking about it or trying around others then it is. of course there is always an exception to the rule… i had a girl try to commit suicide by swallow 2 bottles of pills because i wouldn’t go out with her. so yeah sometimes people are really that f**ked in the head they wanna do it to see if anyone gives a s**t.
if this isnt a cry for attention then why doesent s/he does it in the privacy of his/her home
Hence why they said suicide ‘attempts’. If you want to die, there are plenty of foolproof, sure fire ways of making sure you aren’t still kicking and screaming by the end of it. People who just sit on the side of a bridge or a building and let themselves get talked down, or make sure they do something that hurts them but does no significant damage are just whiny irritating, attention seeking f**k ups who need to succeed next time they try it.
Can you please show some links to the research. I’m quite interested.
Most people who actually ATTEMPT suicide are looking to never have any attention ever again. The “threaten suicide to get attention” stage comes before they get to this point.
well thats a stupid thing to say. selfish twat.
my comment was to the top one btw.
maybe pink should kill herself… seems like a waste of space to me.
ditto
How’s that? Why should he/she care about the suicidal person’s problems when they clearly don’t care about what problems they’re potentially causing by making people late or to their family. Build a bridge and get over it, feeling down isn’t the end of the world. Pink has more potential than this negative Ned/Nelly anyway.
I completely agree with NotFunny
I can honestly say that I care more for my ipod than any of the ****weeds that made me have to wait 2 hours in a train without airco because they decided to jump in front of it.
Same here, but I do think there should be some sort of euthanasia for people who have decided against living any longer, even without terminal diseases. But even without that, killing yourself in that sort of way is just trying to get people’s attention.
Wall of text, did not read.
I think if a person’s willing to almost kill themselves for attention, then they need some attention, seriously.
On the other hand, people who want to commit suicide are selfish, I mean seriously, they act like the world revolves around them and nobody else matters.
seriously??
This is a subject that most people don’t really know anything about…
Because a lot of people have a) never experienced something like this, or b) are just bitter about someone who did.
If someone is feeling so depressed and hopeless that they’re willing to kill themselves, is insulting them by calling them selfish really going to help? Besides, you’d be surprised at the lengths some people go to prevent their suicide from being an inconvenience to anyone…
I have stories I could share… but on a humour site, I don’t think I should.
Nah, go on. I could do with some lulz.
Ok, you find suicide stories amusing???? … nice.
Also, WTF are ‘lulz’ ???
… lurk moar…
…Hmmmm… not sure if you’re a troll or not…
Well by feeling even more depressed after being called selfish, they’re just being even more selfish as they bring down the mood of everyone around them. So if they wanted to stop feeling selfish they should stop being depressed or work through it with a smile.
I’m sorry you feel that way, Ben. I will cheer up from my clinical depression just as soon as I cause your head to explode using only my thoughts.
<3 to The Dark One.
Thank you.
Maybe if you thought less about killing people you’d be less depressed. Build a bridge and get over it. I’ll feel more compassion for those that take their lives if the act didn’t involve someone else being hurt physically or emotionally. You can’t call the general melodramatic behavior many depressed people exhibit non-selfish anyhow, I don’t want to feel bad because they’re.
It’s okay, I don’t need your sympathy. Of course, you do realize that this “selfish behavior” is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, which people have absolutely no control other, right? Is it my fault my genetics are f***** up? No. Is it your fault you’re an ignorant bastard? Absolutely.
Of course, I only feel sympathy for those who are depressed who have it naturally or have had something EXTREMELY terrible happen to them. However, I wouldn’t be upset in the slightest if people like you were to die very horrible deaths. I don’t think about killing people all the time- I hardly ever do it at all! If I were to kill someone, they’d have to deserve it. I don’t even have suicidal thoughts all the time! I can’t control those either. So why don’t you just STFU about something you obviously know nothing about?
By the way, I would never even consider threatening suicide for attention. People who do that aren’t depressed at all. I wouldn’t even threaten suicide, just do it. Besides, death always hurts. And if no one cares about you, it hurts even less. If I die, I’ll just be another statistic.
You’re still exhibiting the annoying habit of making others feel sorry for you by feeling sorry for yourself and making it evident to the blindest of people by the quote “If I die, I’ll just be another statistic”, cheer up, not thinking of how others feel because of how you act IS being selfish.
Just as selfish as it would be saying “hey, I don’t need to pick up my litter, everyone else picks up theirs so it won’t make a difference”, which would only be thinking of the inconvenience to yourself and not those that clean up after you or the animals and environment.
I have concrete PROOF suicide is selfish! Whenever a service member commits suicide everyone on base has to sit through a half-day to full-day suicide prevention seminar in a hot stuffy room and its the worst torture ever. Any service member who kills themself knows what they are inflicting on everyone else therefor they are extremely selfish.
… No, you’re the selfish one for caring more about your convenience than you do about their pain.
Ben, stfu.
Yes, please. Ben. Stfu.
For refrence, I have been pretty deeply effected by a suicide, and dealt with a lot of depressed people (Including myself). And while I would NEVER endorse it…
How is it any LESS selfish to expect someone to live through the misery of depression just so you can be happy their not dead?
THAT is also damn selfish. It is not their job to make us feel better about them not killing themselves. I managed to work through my issues, but I have friends who…I would not have held it against them for wanting release from their misery.
Know what? No one ever mentioned stopping them. =)
Feel better?
The selfishness was just believed to have been in the person’s choice in performing their suicide within a public area for bystanders to see. Since one cannot gather the required information if the person was thinking properly, however, we can only make assumptions.
Though, I highly disagree with you in allowing your loved ones to die. However, your value of life is revolting.
Oh, and by the way, you -did- endorse it. (Unless you meant that you’d never endorse ‘depression,’ which just sounds silly.)
… A life without hope and/or happiness isn’t worth living. Would you rather a loved one live out the rest of their life in unbearable pain, or die a quick, comparatively painless death?
… Um, actually, feeling as if no one cares about you is the most painful feeling possible. Don’t go running your f**king mouth about something like that as if it’s some sort of consolation to not be cared about. It’s not. Not even close.
Umm… wow your “evidence” outdated…
You’re just digging yourself a hole here…. As a Clinical psychologist, I can tell you that what you’re talking about is a load of bullcrap…
Please direct me to some of the evidence linking clinical depression to a chemical imbalance then.
Clickity-click my name, plz.
Thank you! I tried to post some links earlier but they’re still awaiting moderation.
Excellent! Thank you for that. Not that this idiot is really gonna get a clue… they never do. But it’s always good to see someone on the side of those that are dealing with depression or worse. <3
Bah.
..Did that single-syllable grunt mean that you admit defeat in this case, Zuo?
Huh? Oh. I wasn’t talking about the ‘case.’ (This was about the chemical imbalance right? No. I -definitely- agree with that one. A bit saddening Ben kept denying it though… One naturally should try to search that up on their own.)
I only mentioned the ‘bah’ after reading Kat’s, “Not that this idiot is really gonna get a clue… they never do.”
I openly despise people that immediately judge one’s intelligence capacity so easily and are just as easy to ‘give up’ on them as if they’d rather not know. I mean, he got the information and backed off, right? *shakes head*
I guess I’m just being sensitive since it’s happened to me on several occasions growing up. People just like to assume that others are “hopeless causes” as a form of logical reasoning to jump on a bandwagon and treat that person terribly. *sighs*
*sheepish grin* Yeah. I was just being sensitive.
Well then Truth, would you care to explain why I’m in the third generation of my family to suffer from depression? It’s genetic. And Ben, I didn’t say I wanted anyone to die. But if you do, it won’t bother me in the slightest. Is it so cruel to want to end my pain? Really? How is it selfish to want to end this nightmare? My family would be better off without me to support. I do care about people. But really, with so many people like you in the world, I’d much rather commit suicide than have to put up with you people.
http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/11/09/depressions-chemical-imbalance-explained/398.html
http://www.anxiety-and-depression-solutions.com/wellness_concerns/depression/depression_causes.php
http://beatyourdepression.com/blog/depression-facts/what-causes-the-chemical-imbalances-that-lead-to-depression
Do I really have to do your homework for you?
You’re family would obviously care about you and even I care about you.
You don’t know my family. And weren’t you the one encouraging suicidal people to go for the Darwin Award? Yeah, really caring.
Truth was talking to me anyhow and not showing empathy for those that die is inhuman.
Ask yourself who manufactures and sells the anti-depression medications and those that judge their effectiveness, surely they don’t have a vested interest.
I’m sorry, but I didn’t learn about any of my family history until AFTER I was diagnosed. And how is comparing depression to cancer an insult? Both are extremely serious illnesses, one physical and one mental. I didn’t say I wished death. But I’m also not the one encouraging suicidal people to kill themselves and save other people the hassle of dealing with them. How caring of you.
^cry for attention, LAWL
Get back under your bridge, troll.
Above all, a chemical imbalance resulting in depression is speculative theory.
Do you have another theory, a******?
Because I sure as hell would want to know why I’ve been so d*** “selfish” since I was eight. EIGHT. Or was that seven? Anyways…
Your feelings of depression can stem from other things, everybody has emotions that vary and perhaps the history of your family suffering depression resulted in you yourself suffering it after learning of such as that itself is depressing.
The placebo effect is strong and the ability to target a specific area of the brain with such diluted treatments is somewhat absurd and potentially above human ability for the time being.
I don’t think it matters whether its bad childhood, genes, chemical imbalance, or placebo effect. If someone is so emotionally hurt that they consider suicide, they need the help of other people. You could argue that they are being selfish by not caring of other peoples problems, but telling them that wont help them.
Think of it this way: The problem is that the person is depressed, which is upsetting others. You should comfort this person and try and reason with them.
Calling them selfish might increase the problem, it might help them. It depends on the person and their mindset.
Don’t get mad at a person for being angry/sad/stressed/ect. Its not their fault, its their emotions. It’s up to you to try and help them get happy, and there are a billion ways to do this.
You know, I found the scientific term for people who kill themselves because of “clinical depresssion” caused by “bad genetics”…..survival of the fittest.
As one trying to side with the concept behind ben’s arguments (not the arguments themselves, because, well, you’ve all read them) I find your comment having zero value in contributing to the conversation.
That was just kind of rude and hurtful.
You didn’t care if Dark died… So it’s kinda like “Hey kettle, it’s pot, you’re black”. And people who commit suicide want to end their life. And sure, when you get to the bridge, there’s a little doubt, because you know it hurts. But really, you wouldn’t care about those people at all, and, oh look, you’re calling Dark uncaring. Pot talking again. Please, would you just shut up and get back to saying first?
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. You guess sucked up all of the funny from this joke. Pink was being stupid, most likely kidding, and the other chick was being sarcastic. BLAHBLAH. Stop arguing. Nobody cares.
Have you ever suffered from clinical depression?
It’s a dark, dark place, my friend, a hole one finds near impossible to crawl out of. When mental demons take up residence in your mind and nothing at all seems to bring any form of relief; when darkness crashes down on you like a collapsed 30-story building, leaving you with no strength to burrow your way out, call me. I’ll be able to empathize with you, because that is my life more often than I care to experience.
Until it happens to you, dear murky, please do us all a favor and stfu. You know not what you speak.
Hmm yes, I can see where this is going. “Oh, I feel so depressed, no one loves me, I should kill myself. But of course, it must be in such a way that it isn’t inconvenient for anyone. I may be destressed to such a level that I am considering to kill myself, but of course I’m still rational enough to not be a bother to other, more happy people who don’t want to be bothered with such meagre problems.
So. Shoot myself through the head? No wait, the nextdoor neighbour always comes to borrow a cup of sugar on Monday and has a bad heart. She might find me and suffer from a stroke. Hmm. Taking an overdose of sleeping pills? No no, that way, the doctor that prescribed them could get into trouble. Jumping from the Hilton? No, I might accidentally land on someone and hurt them. Oh wait, of course! I could dig a hole, then shoot myself through the head, subsequently falling exactly in the middle of said hole, and finally I could bury myself. Wait wait, there’s something not entirely fitting in this picture…”
In conclusion, no person ever committed suicide anymore because they could find no way to kick the bucket without bothering other people. They contiued to live in silent misery because they were too afraid to bother family, friends and psychiatrists with their totally inconvenient and unimportant problems. So in the end, the depressed people continued being depressed, the happy people continued being happy and not-bothered, and psychiatrists became unemployed. The End!
Thank you. Finally someone with some common sense.
This is a somewhat pointless conversation that’s evidently not going anywhere, good luck with that depression and sadism, hope you get well soon.
Oh the quandaries of being suicidal. You pointed out a flaw in their personality though, that they really DON’T care about others and are indeed selfish, as if they did care, they wouldn’t commit suicide. Embedding’s getting a tad annoying now:P.
My f*cking point is that people who are depressed enough to kill themselves do not think rationally anymore. The fact that they could hurt other people by committing suicide is something that some realize and some perhaps not, but in all cases even all the love of their family and friends is no longer enough to feel happy again. You call this selfish. I call this the feeling of desperation, utter sadness, and helplessness.
The fact that they did it even though they had a loving family shows how far gone they already were, how depressed they must have been. Clearly, you don’t realize this. This shows that you must have led a very unconcerned life until now. Good for you. And welcome to the real world.
Thank you again. I’m beginning to regain my faith in humanity.
I’m glad you’re here as well, or I might’ve killed myself from utter frustration [pun intended]. I just can’t believe that there are people this ignorant and rude.
That’s rich, did you even read the comments Dark One made, not caring whether I died in a horrible manner, attempting to explode my head with their mind, various profanities. Call me old fashioned but that doesn’t seem to fit the definition of polite.
Not knowing what you’re doing ie; not acting rationally, doesn’t stop it from being selfish, in fact, admitting that they act without thinking of others is the very definition of selfish.
I’m ignorant because I noted there’s no physical evidence of chemical imbalances causing depression as of yet and I believe those that commit suicide are selfish? Seems like you’re the ignorant one here, not accepting others have differing views to you.
If you’d just look above, I provided you a link with a google search for ‘genetic depression’. Also, I have personal experience with depression that’s running through my family.
I do not agree with the Dark One hoping to blow your head off, but I can understand her anger that is the root of it. In fact, I can understand it very well. Ben, what you’re basically saying is that depressed people wanting to commit suicide should refrain from doing so if that would hurt others. I agree. Of course I do not want other people to get hurt by the deeds of others. But do you really think that those people stand still and consider the fact that they could hurt others? No, because they do no longer think rationally. I’m not saying they’re not selfish, but THAT ISN’T THE QUESTION. You can’t really blame them for being selfish and not thinking about the consequences of their deeds.
By the way, I never claimed that I’m not hypocritical. We all are, in some way or another.
By the way, I didn’t actually say I would explode his head. I said that I would “magically” recover from my clinical depression once I exploded his head using my mind- which, you know, is physically impossible. I was making a point.
Nah, I already thought that you were being slightly sarcastic Dark One, but we wouldn’t want to hurt Ben’s feelings, now would we? It’s clear that he is a delicate human being that needs to be handled with care. Before you know it, he’s depressed.
ben, does your last name begin with an L and end with a Y? You remind me of this arrogant, self-absorbed prick I knew in college.
On one hand, I hope you are not the same person because this a$$hole somehow got into med school–it troubles me to think a med student would have the abysmal ignorance that you display here.
On the other hand, i kind of hope you ARE the same person because two people like the Ben L. L. I knew in college is just terribly frightening.
How is that common sense? Her argument was entirely “non sequitur.” Why? People are upset at those willing to commit suicide in a -public area-.
What’s the easiest way to combat that whole mesh of junk pretending to be logic? Simple. The person can easily kill themselves within their own home or somewhere that people would be least likely to spot them. The willingness to ‘disappear’ becomes entirely questionable if performed in an obvious outcry.
One wanted to stop being a problem, but instead they infused a grave image within the minds of several undeserving strangers that there was an emotionally unstable person they could have perhaps saved – despite even that thought becoming a reality is highly improbable.
Please note, that although I agree with your points, we must also acknowledge that people get depressed and attempt suicide for various reasons. So doing so in a way to disturb the every day lives of others may be their last attempt to get back at whatever.
This is not intended as a rebuttal to your argument, as I for the most part agree, but as an expansion to which I’m sure you probably agree, that must be made for the sake of our audience.
Mmm. I keep seeing that point as to whether or not blame can be placed upon the person… Even I have trouble with it since we can’t entirely measure the mental capacity of the person when they are in certain stages of their depression. Not to mention the many ways one can become depressed…
Though I suppose all I have to answer that is “murder in the heat of passion” still being wrong. Though this plays oddly considering that suicide is normally premeditated… but again, we cannot predict what their mental capacity was to make a judgment.
*drops head in defeat* Nothing can be concluded then.
So I suppose people are just allowed their assumptions then seeing as it can’t be pinned down to anything. Whether they are true or not hardly matters considering that we’ll never know for sure. Oh well…
Thanks for that response!
I think most people will disagree with me, but I think when dealing with any crime that is caused by flawed reasoning or a lack of control over emotions (any crime, basically) you can never blame the person. Well, that is a bit loose because technically the person’s thoughts and emotions are always a part of them.
I consider them being put to jail not a punishment, but a way to help them become better. I know, the jails we have now do not follow that philosophy, and they probably never will. Even if they did, it wouldn’t work until we completely understand the human mind. But my point is when the problem is caused by an emotion or characteristic of the criminal, the emotions and the characteristics are the problems, not the criminals.
If someone steals, the problem is greed. If someone murders, the problem is anger. As a society we need to find ways to decrease these problems. Suicide is a complicated one, because trying to get rid of it can make it worse and each person deals with it differently.
Sorry that this isn’t exactly great wording, I’m very tired and not think straight. Not my fault.
Absolutely. I entirely agree.
*Sigh* I have to admit that Ben meaning “in public” with his first post didn’t directly pass through. It was more his sentence “So if they wanted to stop feeling selfish they should stop being depressed or work through it with a smile.” that put me off, because it sure as hell isn’t as simple as that. Surely, you can understand that much.
To continue: I do very well understand that suicides committed “in public” are seen as selfish, because other people could get physically/mentally hurt when being involved, be it family or people witnessing it or whoever. I never said I disagreed with that; in fact, I got very angry when the mother of a dear friend of mine killed herself (by hanging herself, alone, by the way) and thought that it was very selfish of her to leave her family in a horrible way like that. However, I realized one thing.
She had been so depressed, that she could no longer think rationally. And she had been for a long time. Do you really think that all suicides en public are an outcry for attention? Some are, sure. But some aren’t. There are people who are carrying the heavy emotion of just not being able to be happy with them for a long time, and someday they can just snap; this can happen in public as well. The point of the post above, although admittedly I did take the wrong examples then, was to say that those people really aren’t going to stop for a second and consider all the people they could hurt when committing suicide when being that mentally unstable, and subsequently retreat home to kill themselves. However selfish the act may seem, I still think you can’t blame them when they are no longer able to think things through rationally.
Yes, I can agree that such a statement was placed very loosely. Though I feel it was naivete that spoke rather than in an insensitive manner. (Or so I hope. All a matter of perspective however…)
Mmm. Point taken. *nods in agreement* But again. A better way of saying what you just did would be: “There is no place to give blame as we cannot tell what the person is thinking if they are even thinking rationally at all.”
As a past victim of a depression that had the potential to consume my life long ago, I look back to realize that my actions were still very coherent. The only thing truly askew was my view of reality and that I was powerless – the forcibly muted victim with no hope for a future. But I still managed my usual activities as a human being while pretending to be just fine and dandy amongst my peers.
I did ‘snap’ one day… but logic remained with me. My hesitance to take my life was from that logic – the fear of the ‘unknown end.’ There was also the notion of wondering if I should really end it there… If there was just a spark of hope I had yet to find within all the darkness… To die quitting without ever knowing…
But yes. I do agree entirely only up to the part that one truly cannot be blamed or exempt from their actions on account of such things as ‘rationality’ or ‘being sound of mind’ being unknown.
I thank you for that input. Another well made point indeed!
Thank you for considering my point.
I sincerely hope as well that it was Ben’s naiveté that spoke and he does seem like an eloquent person who uses reason to enforce his argument, but I’m still inclined to say that he should visit a clinic for chronically depressed people sometime soon, just to try and level his EQ up a bit.
And I have to agree with you there, since it’s a nice way of trying to put both sides together. Another side paragraph would perhaps be; “Since every person is different from others, we cannot [immediately] place the blame on said person, etc”. You are right as well in that no person should ever be cleared entirely from responsibility merely on account of ‘being irrational’, ‘no longer able to think clearly’, etc. Again, this is something that should be looked at differently from individual to individual.
…Which is pretty much impossible of course, but it’s just that, it puts me off when people are exclaiming how annoying it is that their precious time is taken away by someone who has attempted to take his own life, and how selfish it was of them. That’s just so… horribly apathetic, you know? I’m not trying to overstate my case or anything, and I have to admit that I was getting a bit emotional a few days ago when reading some of the comments, but that really gets to me. So in that case, I’m inclined to lean more to the “don’t blame them, they’re depressed”-part, than to the “but even so, they’re selfish for doing it”-part. There is to say something for both parts, but the 2nd one can get out of hand really fast, as seems the case with Ben.
I’m glad you said ‘past victim’, I hope you are recovered entirely or at least partially from that horrible feeling. It’s good that you did manage to keep your head mostly clear through it all, but that’s something not all people are capable of, unfortunately. So again, it differs from person to person, which in conclusion makes it pretty much impossible for an outsider to know all the thoughts and emotions from a suicidal person.
I kinda like this conclusion as it pretty much puts an end to our arguments, though it’s kind of frustrating as well, I guess. But let’s just shake hands for now.
Btw; ‘another’ well-made point of mine? But.. I thought you were disagreeing with me up to now? Or was it sarcasm? xD Perhaps I’m still too young to get it, lol.
…HS. I’m just going to say sorry to everyone who has to scroll past that wall of text.
I understand how you feel. But unfortunately, that’s how they feel about it. They each have their reasons for despising it. Some can justify those feelings while others never will. Sometimes it can fall into the gray where we just don’t know what to think.
But I’ll commend you anyway for taking up the unspoken side. I’m sure it must have pulled hard at your heartstrings if you were willing to take it on with as much fervor as you did. Besides, in the end you even got me to get involved to try and make a proper conclusion from it all.
I wish there was a way to know what the person’s mind was like during such an awful moment where taking one’s life seems appropriate. But to measure such a thing would be considered unethical… But to think of all the grief that could be avoided… or even washed away… Mmm.
As for ‘recovery,’ I doubt there really is one. Time doesn’t heal anything… You just forget for awhile. But until someone somehow triggers a hidden switch inside you that brings it all back… It’s simply monstrous how simple it is to regress.
I guess one could depict it like a depressed person to being in a special house or building. A building that when the owner goes through significant trauma or any sort of damage (emotionally or mentally) will end up with shattered windows or broken walls. The frigid wind streams into the home forcing the owner inside to become numb without any sort of help to stop it.
Again, this house is a special house. You can’t rebuild anything. All you have are band-aids that you can get from receiving help. Just band-aids for the destruction in your home that sucks all the warmth from the inside. After awhile, you finally manage to plug up the holes with the bandaids – using as many as needed pending on the magnitude of the suffering.
Your house is not repaired… but as long as you don’t feel the cold, cruel air nipping at you, it seems better than before. You even start to forget that your house is damaged… Up until the point where someone accidentally reminds you of it.
And then somehow, when you step back into that house… you swear you feel the cold rushing over your entire body even though there isn’t even the slightest draft.
I hope that didn’t sadden you too much. It’s just how I would describe it.
*shakes hands with you* Agreed. I know it feels strange not to have a concrete answer besides, “We do not have enough information for a correct conclusion. So do not assume too hastily that you are entirely correct,” but at least it enables both sides to be understood.
‘To be right’ is one thing… But to argue for the sake of challenging an idea to perfect it is another. But I’m sure you already know that. ^_^
For one so youthful, you have a very mature mind.
As for the ‘another,’ it was mentioned because ‘It depends’ answered something almost the same as you had, but you used a different example that opened my perspective a little further.
Sorry for the confusion. And no, it wasn’t sarcasm. *light laugh*
*blinks at post* *deep sigh*
I suppose I should apologize as well.
Sorry for the gargantuan post.
I know: You dig a deep hole on a hillside, and stack all the dirt right above it on top of a giant slab of ice. Then you hurry up and return the construction equipment before the ice melts (so the owner isn’t inconvenienced), hurry back, and shoot yourself while down in the hole. The ice will then melt, causing the dirt on top to tumble down the hill into the hole, burying you.
PS – Make sure to tape all this, put the recording in a waterproof box, and bring it with you. Else the investigation might inconvenience someone in the police departement.
PPS – And tell your family and friends that you are moving to Peru to be a happy hermit.
nah I’m with you on that, ben obviously has some issues he hasn’t worked out with himself yet. Reading his comments on this page up to this point have made me rather nauseated. Someone with so little regard for people suffering from depression needs to go far far away from humanity and not inflict his “intellect” on us depressed, selfish, suicidal folks.
You obviously have never been depressed, it’s not something you can just give up one day. It takes time, and smiling while you work through something NEVER makes it better, it almost ALWAYS makes it worse.
I could’ve sworn there was an app for that…
Win.
>stop feeling selfish they should stop being depressed or work through it with a smile
Oh, and I suppose people with diabities should just stop “needing insulin”?
That comment made no sence at all. Diabetes is a physical disease, a depression is mental. Now there are in fact clues that depression may be caused by “bad genes”, but you can die from diabetes (or from the symptoms) but being depressed won’t kill you (unless you do it yourself offcourse, although your physical health may decrease). But in that perspective depression’s alot less dangerous then for example diabetes. And think about this: If you lived in a poorer country where you have to work everyday for your and your families food, laying in bed all day because “you don’t feel happy” isn’t a good reason.
But when your depressed, your immune system weakens, does it not? Thus you would become more prone to some other potentially fatal sickness your body won’t be able to fight back. And what about Broken Heart Syndrome? *shrugs*
Just some food for thought.
But you are right about the comment above being ridiculous.
Yea that’s what I meant with “although your physical health may decrease”. But in the end it’s still the other disease that does all the hard work
. You’ve just become more vunerable to it.
“by feeling even more depressed after being called selfish, they’re just being even more selfish as they bring down the mood of everyone around them. So if they wanted to stop feeling selfish they should stop being depressed or work through it with a smile.”
Go up to a clinical depressed person and say. Hell, just go up to a person who’s had a bad day and say that.
Most people don’t have control over their feelings, if you punch someone in the face you have to forgive them for getting angry. If you call someone who already hate’s themself selfish, you have to expect them to feel guilty and hate themselves even more.
I have both experienced something like this and have known people who have taken their own lives…. I agree that a lot of people who attempt it do so for attention (or a better way to put it, a cry for help…. i did!) But if someone were 100% committed to taking their own lives they would do so somewhere where they could not be found and stopped! I totally agree that doing it in a public place is selfish! You dont know what that consequences are for someone who witness’s that and is powerless to stop it! If someone’s life is so low in the gutter that they feel they cant go on they wouldnt want to inflict that upon others…. Jumping off a bridge is probably the worse. If its a motorway bridge, 99% of the time you dont end up in one piece and its highly likely that you will either land on a moving car or you’d fall in front of one so fast that the car is powerless to stop and hits you! Then, you have one very distraught driver and possibly evenly distraught passengers…. And what if there are kids around when this happens? Its bad enough for an adult to see but no child should ever witness someone taking their own lives.
tl;dr
Ummm….. Im not fluent in “computer-speak”, lmao!!! What do you mean??
tl;dr = too long, didn’t read. Poster is basically being a jerk, don’t mind him.
I’m bored so I’ll answer for stackmonster.
Your previous post was “Too Long;Didn’t Read”
Sometimes written as tldnr or too long did not read.
Welcome to the interwebz!
Hahaha!! Ok, thank you! I can do the basics but after btw brb and all the different lols i get confused :s pmsl!!!
Excuse me?
I, as a person who has attempted before, was selfish for wanting to take myself out? For realising how absolutely worthless I am and that I get in everybody’s way? That life would be better for THEM if I were gone?
Oh yeah. Soooo selfish.
I am very sorry you felt sad and hurt enough to want to end your own life. I’ve definitely had those thoughts myself. The only thing that brought me back (aside from not being able to figure out how to do it painlessly) was the thought of how my family would react. I didn’t want to inflict the pain of losing a family member suddenly to suicide on them. Every time I have those thoughts, they’re the ones who bring me back, without even knowing what I’m thinking about. So I understand the “selfish” opinion on some level, but it’s certainly not a word to use to help people decide against suicide, because it certainly doesn’t feel selfish in the moment!
I hope you are feeling better now and are getting the help and support you need.
Yes, it is. Now stop fishing for attention and go away.
It would be more accurate to say that they act like THEY do not matter.
What an insensitive git o_o
not at peak traffic hours though, that’s just mean… choose a time when it’s convenient.
Or maybe decide to take a lethal overdose, at home, that way no one need find the corpse for weeks, given that we’re all so pre-occupied with our own stuff to care.
Yeah, but then that’d smell really bad for those that need to clean up. People planning it should research how to finish themselves off in the least hassling way, like falling into a garbage incinerator or something.
And jumping off a bridge isnt less convienent? then the cops have to search the water, so on and so forth.
Yeah! It’s always the taxpayer that suffers the most.
So you’re saying that you’d rather have someone kill themselves in a way that doesn’t inconvience you than make an attempt and have their life be saved? Unbelievable. Thanks for destroying my faith in humanity at such a young age.
It shouldn’t be my responsibility either way.
Ha ha. You kids and your faith in humanity. Why not have faith in -yourself- for a change? XD
^WIN XD
papergirl, you’re on the internet and cheezburger, quit being so innocent. Go google goatse or somethnig.
Win!
Or if they could perhaps, find someway to die in such a way that their body falls into a paid for empty grave and is somehow buried, that’d be even less of a hassle:P
You think this is really funny, don’t you? Clearly, you have never felt so distressed in your happy, happy life that you felt as if there was no way out of it other than kill yourself.
Look man, I can take a joke. I laughed heartily at Stockmonster’s remark above. But I can’t take it from you, a person who is apparently clearly convinced that depressed people should STFU and not bother others with their problems. You must have the EQ of a wet newspaper.
When did I say that depressed people should “STFU”, I think they should seek psychiatric help and do whatever they need to do to feel better. I was only trying to express that it’s selfish to take your own life and at the same time, potentially ruin other people’s such as train drivers, etc. If suicide attempts aren’t spur of the moment, then surely they have enough time to minimise the act’s impact. If they aren’t thinking “rationally” and as such not thinking of others, then they’re being selfish, whether they realise it or not.
p.s Wet newspapers are some of the most empathetic and compassionate inanimate objects I know.
You know, I’ve tried getting help. You know how much that helped? The only real good thing is I got someone to talk me out of killing myself. Also, people’s lives aren’t necessarily “ruined” by watching someone kill themself.
Ask the train drivers that have hit people, I’m sure they’d disagree.
Agreed. Have you ever seen what happens to the human body when it’s impacted by the force of a many-ton object traveling at speeds around (or faster than) 50 MPH? It’s not pretty.
Oh yeah. My friend saw her brother hang himself and she just continues with her happy, normal life.
/sarcasm
You actually think that watching someone commit suicide doesn’t affect a person?
Wow…just wow…
I didn’t say it wouldn’t affect them, I said it wouldn’t ruin their lives.
You’re saying the entire time it’s not selfish to kill yourself, and then you make a retarded comment like this. This must be the epitome of selfishness. You think when a child’s mother commits suicide it just “affects” their lives a bit? The only annoyance being that they have to go somewhere else after school?
*Necessarily* “people’s lives aren’t _necessarily_ ruined” by seeing a suicide. Yes, it’s affecting, but it doesn’t *necessarily* mean every person will be paralyzed by it.
Stop making pedantic comments.
If you want to end your live, the fact you could hurt even a single person by choosing a melodramatic way of doing so should be enough to make you overthink it. Otherwise it’s very reasonable people call you selfish.
Oh s**t now you’re the bad guy in this arguement.
Some people kill themselves this way BECAUSE it ruins everyone’s morning, like jumping in front of a subway train at rush hour. It’s a final ‘f**k you’ to the world.
In Japan, they makes your family pay for the clean-up if you jump in front of a train
Mitch, I’m delighted you’ve never felt so low as to feel as though there was no point in going on. I’m also disgusted at your lack of compassion for people who have been unlucky to feel that kind of desperation.
thank you so very much. Reading some of these comments made me feel sick. I’ve started to believe there’s no hope for the human race.
Because the human race actually earned a new agenda aside from the usual single command to ‘Survive.’ It’s now to “Survive and be judged as the Failbook commentators population, which for some reason represents the entire race.”
Awesome.
Win! If Failbook comments made you lose faith in humanity, then you’re a huge fail.
Wow people… I’m sure there are other feelings besides what the poster is writing on Facebook… but she’s making a JOKE!!!! If it was a friend or acquaintence, I’m sure it wouldn’t be the same thing, it is NOT her responability to be out there making sure everyone else is so happy they’re not jumping off bridges. Take a joke people, the world is too serious not to be able to joke with friends.
On another note, this was funny.
Basically, if you’re going to top yourself, please do like an overdose or something, and not jump in front of a train as imagine the distress caused to the train driver, knowing he hit a person? And jumping off a bridge is cliched (can’t do accents >.<), if I were to kill myself, I would use some originality.
Strive for that coveted Darwin Award, suicidally depressed people, it’s not going to earn itself!
You first.
I like turtles
I’m sorry but if someone truly wants to off themselves there are better ways to do it than publicly. Obviously in this case it IS a cry for attention. I hope the guy jumped personally.
so much for human compassion and sensitivity
Holy damn, there’s fail in these comments. Keep talking about things you know nothing about, people, keep talking. Or better yet, read a textbook or something. lol, internet…
Damn, five minutes DO matter
Well if someone really want to die they’ll kill themselves somewhere where no one could see/stop them.
If they do it on a bridge in the middle of the day, they just want attention.
So I go with the pink on this 1.
next time, just push them. same outcome, right?
i have a feeling that the unsensitive girl is a blondie.
She’s a brunette, I know her.
In her defense, she was definitely joking and Purple was being incredibly sarcastic.
The people above missed the lightheartedness of her comment to begin with and got into a serious conversation about suicide when it really didn’t pertain to the status fail at all.
Got the idea Ben is too.
If the guy is on a bridge for hours with cops trying to talk him down, then YES, it is a cry for attention and I have no compassion really for them. Why should I? Who wrote the rules about who I have compassion for and who I don’t? Disabled veteran who can’t work due to a war injury and gets compensated too little for his service? Compassion. 35 year old man still living with his parents depressed from never making a career for himself because he wasted his high school and college years partying and getting stoned, can’t get a better paying job, no one listens to his blog, podcasts, or YouTube monologues, (and likely no friends on FaceBook) and I’m supposed to have compassion that he’s on a bridge wasting time in the lives of hundreds of people? Hell no.
Oversimplified? You bet! Not everyone in life is the victim of fate, some people MAKE their own lousy lives. I don’t see why I should feel compassion for them when they feel like jumping off a bridge.
The only time it’s not for attention is when they jump before people can try to talk them down.
Hah I totally agree. He has obviously been up there for quite some time if he is holding up traffic. If he was going to kill himself, he would just do it and not make a huge scene. Honestly those who attempt this in public places are just seeking for attention. Why else would you do it where everyone is watching you?
And before anyone says anything, I am battling depression right now. So do not give me that “you have no compassion” sh*t. I do have compassion for the depressed. I do not have compassion for those who go through such great lengths for attention.
Winningest comment of them all!
If you even vaguely understood mental illness you’d feel a whole lot more compassion. I hope you are grateful neither you nor anyone you care about has experienced it*. You should probably educate youself before mouthing off though.
*Don’t deny it fella your ignorance is very telling
You know… If you understood many -other- mental illnesses, you would become desensitized.
Just sayin’.
The fact that you think your little imaginary scenario has anything to do with mental illness only proves how mind-blowingly ignorant you are.
Seriously. People like you are why folks kill themselves in the first place. Your lack of compassion is what makes the world a terrible place for people to live.
And the fact that you think people “choose” to be mentally ill is just more proof that you are the kind of person that I would pity anyone having to be in the same room with.
“People like you are why folks kill themselves in the first place.”
Bah. Over generalization.
“Your lack of compassion is what makes the world a terrible place for people to live.”
Because what -one- person in the world believes actually made this planet the equivalent of South Africa’s situation. Again, there are far worse things.
And instead of calling it mentally ill… Why not just call it being depressed? I mean. You seriously can alter your reality enough to make yourself depressed. Kinda like whether or not the person sees the glass have empty or full. So saying entirely that they -never- choose is pretty much out of the question.
Even if the likeliness of that appears small – you cannot entirely discount it for the sake of ‘being right.’
Or in this case, winning the debate whether it be valid or not. (Even if I don’t agree -emotionally- with part of what he’s saying… Though Justice is correct to a point. People make their bed and they must lay in it. Even if it sounds harsh to the humane life-lovers.)
“You seriously can alter your reality enough to make yourself depressed.”
not true. REAL, TRUE, CLINICAL depression is a medical condition. it has to do with chemicals in the brain, not “perception.” people who are depressed don’t just feel “sad,” moron, they feel completely disconnected with the world, uninterested in everything, detached from all people and all activities. go read a book.
Ever heard of the fight-or-flight-or-freeze response? It’s a rather crazy theory actually. It claims that one’s environment (should it become threatening) can actually cause the sympathetic nervous system to release… neurotransmitters (those ‘chemicals’) that interestingly enough can alter your entire body as well as your mind.
However, I would love to find where it is that ‘perception’ has absolutely nothing to do with one feeling depressed. I am hardly stating that it is the -only- method of which people become depressed, but it can be a means of how they get there.
My ‘chemical’ problem came from my surroundings before it sprouted from itself. Others can have a sort of mutation in which their body produces an ill amount of a certain neurotransmitter (serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine).
Normally I do not respond to comments like this simply because they seem to be rearing for a fight, through childish name calling, which they have no care to apply the appropriate specifics to their argument.
By the way, the caps lock button with redundancy hardly make for a proper means of emphasis. Just some food for thought if you wanted me to reply to you with a little more maturity – though such a notion can only be optimistic.
I’m absolutely shocked at how ignorant, selfish, and unfeeling most of the people here seem to be. Wow.
It would take me weeks to correct all of the psychology fail in the comments of this post.
I know. I was really surprised to see most of these comments. How can they think that way? No wonder there’s so many people depressed and suicidal if they have to share the world with these sort of unfeeling, selfish, ignorant idiots.
The only psychological fail here is you thinking everyone has to agree with how you feel concerning the matter. Everyone’s unique and it’s not like anyone here is wanting people to take their lives, just to not hurt others in any way if they are bound to, and to search for other ways for attention that don’t hurt or hassle people needlessly.
This isn’t a question of how I “feel.” It’s a question of facts.
People here are saying to just pull yourself up by your boot straps, gets over it, think about how annoying/inconvenient it is to others, etc. If they had even the smallest clue what mental illness is, they would see why such statements are illogical and offensive to the point of being idiotic.
People who are in the middle of a mental health crisis can’t see those things. That is the nature of he disorder.
It’s like asking a diabetic to stop having an insulin seizure because you find it annoying. It’s that stupid.
The psycological error I find is that your putting yourself above each and every one of us. I however do understand phycological disorder, more so than most. I still find the post amusing. It’s meant as a joke, the girl was trying to poke fun at an uncomfortable situation. If it’s not your type of humor then fine. There’s this little box in the upper right corner of the screen with an “X”. Click it.
Nope. There are plenty of people here who do get it. That’s why I used the word “most” and not “all.”
It’s also not the post I’m complaining about. It’s the commends.
Yeah, the commends really suck. Become an hero.
I’m well aware that mental disorders are life-affecting and require medical attention to treat and recover from.
“Schizophrenia” is a mental disorder.
“Depression”, in my experience, is usually an excuse for attention. Every single person deals with problems every single day. Stress is unavoidable and no one is immune to it. The key is how you deal with it.
We’ve all gone through a bad break-up. We’ve all hated our jobs. We’ve all had a death of a person close to us. We’ve all had knock-down drag-out fights with a significant other, parent, or family member. The only thing you can do “pull yourself up by your boot straps,” and there’s no excuse to do otherwise.
tl;dr: read Justice’s post above.
““Depression”, in my experience, is usually an excuse for attention. Every single person deals with problems every single day. Stress is unavoidable and no one is immune to it. The key is how you deal with it.”
I’m sorry, but you are tragically ignorant.
Depression is not “being sad.” And if you think it is, then you either have an IQ in double digits, or you have been tremendously failed by the educational system.
Depression is a disorder that produces cognitive, physical, and emotional symptoms. Please go educate yourself. I hope your friends never need to rely on you for emotional support, because I can’t imagine it would make them feel any better.
And that’s where you’re wrong, though I understand your sentiment. Depression is not “usually an excuse for attention”. It really is a mental illness, it can even be passed through in families, as is my personal experience. Look, I’m not saying that all persons claiming to suffer from chronic depression actually are. A lot of them are probably just suffering from a bad case of drama-queeneritus. But let’s not generalize here, shall we? Plenty of people are not able to work through problems with a tear here and there and subsequently continue their lives happily. They can’t, simply because they are just not ‘built’ that way, emotionally speaking. Ever heard of Indigo children, for example (minus all the hippie hocus pocus)?
There may be no excuse to do therwise; but that doesn’t mean that they are subsequently able to ‘pull themselves up by their bootstraps’*c-c-combo breaker inserted here*, just because the worls expects them to.
So, you call wanting to kill yourself a way to seek attention? Wow, let me just take five minutes to try and wrap my head around such utter ignorance.
I was referring to those that don’t intend to kill themselves and act depressed for attention needing to seek other avenues, otherwise they’d not hesitate.
I’m sorry, that’s just how I read it from the context. But it doesn’t change anything about the fact that you clearly don’t understand that a depressed person is not always rational enough to stop and consider the fact that he/she could hurt others would they commit suicide. You call it selfish of them, but would you call someone who is running straight to a village in order to escape from a very hungry lion selfish, even though he’s putting them in danger as well?
I am a depressive – and on medication, and you are depressing me more than this thread.
XD What a terrible form of justification…
Yes, depressed people do hesitate to kill themselves. And who said this person hesitated? We don’t know that from the post. Maybe someone saw them climbing up and they were being negotiated down. Maybe if someone hadn’t seen them they wouldn’t have hesitated.
Nobody “acts” depressed, even if they are doing things for attention. Depression is miserable and unpleasant. Who would choose that?
Anyone who would choose that is mentally ill. Duh. So even if they are seeking attention, how does that change anything? If they are seeking attention by acting out like that, clearly they DO need help.
Sometimes people do look for help in more normal ways, and they don’t get the help they need. Sometimes, due to all the stigma around mental illness (like the stigma you clearly have), people don’t try to seek help until they’re already too irrational to do it in a normal way.
Had any of that occurred to you?
Someone needs to take a trip through a high school. Not to mention actually go attempt to meet these “help-seekers” and ask why is it they find the given aid to be so terribly flawed.
Like you said, it could be mental… AKA you could be warping your reality just enough to believe entirely that nothing will help since it’s just not the kind of fix you anticipated or hoped for. Thus comes the waterworks that you’ve become a hopeless cause and the anvil on your shoulders triples in its weight.
Been there, done that.
I can tell you why they find it to be flawed, from the perspective of someone who studied psych and volunteers at a local community organization.
Most therapists don’t really listen. Medication is not a silver bullet and is pretty useless without a good therapist. Backwards ways of performing therapy (for example, for someone who self-injures, they try to make you stop self-injuring and THEN give you coping mechanisms, when it should be the other way around).
Lots and lots of reasons, basically.
Your experiences are yours alone. And whatever pain YOU’VE had has NOTHING TO DO with how other people have experienced their pain.
If you got yourself out of it, then good for you. Not everyone can. And since you clearly don’t understand that, you don’t really have any right to comment on it. You’re ignorant of it.
I don’t lecture people on how to build cars when I can’t even change spark plugs. What the hell makes you think you have the right to lecture on mental illness when you’ve clearly never experienced it in any substantial form?
How many therapists have you seen? (Sorry if the question seems silly but your mention of volunteering at a local community organization was very vague. For all I know you could be volunteering to build houses for those without.)
But again, how many have you seen to know that for fact? Yes, everyone has heard of the corrupt psychiatrists that prescribe certain drugs for the sake of a corporate pat on the back, but how do you know for sure?
By the way, couldn’t the strangeness of their method merely be from the fact that they need time to recognize what is causing the person so much inner turmoil? Sometimes it isn’t what one might think. I believe it took me about seven sessions before I finally managed to realize what it was that rendered me random panic attacks. Fortunately the guy I had was one that wouldn’t resort to medicating someone unless they were in a dire need.
But that’s just a theory. So don’t take my word for it. Perhaps your right. So why not spread the word? Or have you been already outside of this forum?
I’m ignorant? Wow. Nice that you can make such a bold assumption with so little to back you up. I believe people with the kind of depression that isn’t genetic or something entirely beyond their control do have the power to save themselves… Since as you mentioned, they are the only ones who can. The only thing everyone else can do is attempt to keep going until they do find a proper means to overcome that which weighs heavier and heavier on them each day.
Until their environment or depiction of reality changes… nothing can truly be done for them. (At least this is the conclusion I can gather while agreeing with a few of your points.)
As for my “inexperience,” I mentioned above I suffered panic attacks whilst within my own depression. I need not delve further. But I do have experience and I have seen it from the outside looking in as well. It is why I permit myself a sense of hope rather than wait for the moment to provide a moment of silence after someone within the community has taken their life.
But, let us nip this in the bud right now.
You mentioned previously that no one chooses to be depressed. Well, sometimes we subconsciously do. But unfortunately, we have no idea of what kind of background the person committing suicide had. For all we know, he was probably just so far down in the dumps that he wanted someone to try and stop him – revealing a hidden sense of value their really has.
But if anything, I do hope he (or she) received treatment… even if you claim that most of it is as reliable as a weight loss diet.
(By the way, try not to be so emotionally charged. It’s hard to argue logically with someone when that happens.)
I’ve seen a couple psychologists myself, yes. My interest in psychology stems from my own experiences.
That said, yes, you are absolutely right that there are lots of corrupt people in the psych profession. And anyone who has studied psych knows how over-prescribed and mis-handled medications really are. At least if they’re being hones with themselves.
I went to psychologists expressly because I didn’t want to be thrown a prescription at the end of my first session. I wanted them to actually deal with me. And I assume if I was really that bad off, they’d refer me.
I always recommend people “shop around” for a therapist, and avoid psychiatrists unless they are in immediate crisis. It’s important you find someone who is not only a good at what they do, but also a decent person. The first couch you lay on may not be the right one for you.
As far as the efficacy of therapy, it really depends on the type of disorder, and the therapist themselves. There are certain therapeutic errors that are rampant in psychology as a whole. You may find individual therapists who are more empathetic, understand the flaws in the system, and work around them. But on the whole, there are some basic flaws in psychological practice.
Yes, I do think you’re ignorant. Many people, even with personal experience with mental illness, still lack the ability to think outside their own experience. That is what you’ve shown me. Your experience is the “one truth” as far as you’re concerned.
Not all people who get real, clinical depression have a genetic history. Lots of illnesses are that way. Your risk of cancer can be increased by genetics, but just because you don’t have genetic risk factors doesn’t mean you can’t have cancer.
And what you’ve just said is that only people with genetic histories can have real depression. Not true. The majority of people with depression have no genetic history, and almost everyone goes through sub-clinical depression at some point in their lives.
You can’t “subconsciously” choose things if your subconscious is ill. No sane, rational person would choose to remain miserable. If they do, it’s because they are already sick.
I’m sorry, it’s a subject I’m passionate about. And nothing blows me away more than seeing people who have been through it continue to perpetuate ignorance.
And yes, I do advocate on behalf of mental health quite a lot, in multiple mediums, and in multiple forums.
*sigh* This will only go in circles if I don’t do this now.
“Many people, even with personal experience with mental illness, still lack the ability to think outside their own experience.”
Citation, please.
“That is what you’ve shown me. Your experience is the ‘one truth’ as far as you’re concerned.”
Citation, please. =)
I never pounded you down, did I? Excuse me for being skeptical for being so naive. ( Btw, ‘naive is a much better term as opposed to ignorance. Otherwise, it feels like you’re simply attacking me for debating… whilst you still for some reason choose to continue replying to said ignorant person….)
“And what you’ve just said is that only people with genetic histories can have real depression.”
No. What I -meant- was that people with the genetics issue may have a more difficult time overcoming their depression. Their sense of being trapped could just as easily be amplified. (If it came out the other way regardless, then I sincerely apologize.)
“The majority of people with depression have no genetic history…”
Citation, please.
“You can’t “subconsciously” choose things if your subconscious is ill.”
Cite.
“No sane, rational person would choose to remain miserable.”
Cite.
“I’m sorry, it’s a subject I’m passionate about. And nothing blows me away more than seeing people who have been through it continue to perpetuate ignorance.”
And what blows me away is how you feel compelled to stand in front of them all to berate them as if… Oh wait… No… They can’t possibly be… -human-? By the gods! They are!
Believe me, you -are- entitle to your opinion… but when you go around using your intellect to bully others as opposed to educating them properly… *shakes head* What does it change? What did you gain from it? Oh. Nothing. That’s right.
Worst case scenario? You accidentally form a catalyst which gives birth to far more ‘haters’ than there were before.
You’re passionate about informing people correct? Making them see things properly so the world can ‘be a better place?’ Then I highly suggest you adjust your methods. But again… just a suggestion.
Oh! Want to see my citation about how you may be incorrect of my willingness to remain uninformed?
You: “What the hell makes you think you have the right to lecture on mental illness when you’ve clearly never experienced it in any substantial form?”
I was answering you for one. Who would have thought you would have attacked me for answering… Oh well.
As for another…
Myself: “But that’s just a theory. So don’t take my word for it. Perhaps you’re right.”
I take pride in being open that I may be incorrect yet I do remain firm in my ideas until properly prove wrong. I’d like to think many people are this way though at times there can be those far too set in their ways for such growth.
However, you can easily prove my skepticism wrong with the proper citation. So please. I encourage it. If you cannot provide me with some sort of study or factual evidence that I can clearly see the source is reliable, then the main fabric of this debate will collapse.
If I seem hostile for asking questions, I suggest you simply reply that I’m stupid and we’ll leave it there. After all, if reason is not allowed within a debate, then all we are doing is wasting time.
Though I do hope that you succeed in finding those citations.
hahaha love you zuo.
wait… so what you’re trying to say is that the cake is a lie?
I was just actually wondering if maybe you ever received those citations or if they just got lost in the sea of comments… right next the clarification on what exactly Cat does, volunteer work wise, with community centers.
I was kinda hoping for them myself. Not a fan of people who think that they can better understand the way people should act and feel based on a few very brief and general community college classes in pysch. Much less those that think that their qualifications of working near people with similar situations make them more a subject-matter expert than those who have actually experienced said situations.
Nope. I never got the citations. As for the answer to what Cat actually does… No. I did not receive that either that leads me to conclude that Cat merely had no true foundation to what he/she was talking about. He/she merely wished to place others down while feeling as if they themselves were ‘making the world a better place’ in doing so.
I merely wished to back he/she into a corner in hopes that Cat would reflect logically… However, it seems I may have been either too late or too rash. Oh well.
Then again, there is always the result that Cat merely gave up… *shrugs* Such a debate is time consuming – especially when all one wishes to do is be ‘correct’ in order to ‘win’ the debate.
As for that cake… we may never know.
ben, if an epelectic came up to you and asked you to turn off the strobe light, you would be the guy who said no cuz you like it on. srsly man, these are real ppl w/ real problems and you should shut up with your justification of suicides being selfish.
Wtf with most of the comments in here?
If someone I DON’T KNOW AND DON’T CARE ABOUT is going to commit suicide, um… why should I care? It’s not my f**king problem and it shouldn’t be. I’m sure the person has other people that worry about them.
If you’re going to kill yourself do it in a way that it doesn’t get on other’s people way. Why? Because I don’t give a s**t about YOUR problems, I’ve got my own.
I seriosly don’t get people in here expecting that everyone should be all kind and tolerant and s**t about situations like this. F**k you guys.
=O Such an angry koopa…
Aww, poor little troll. Did someone jump off the bridge you live under and make a mess?
Get over yourself, Cat. 99% of the world doesn’t give two s**ts about anybody they don’t know directly. As for the jumper, somebody should have pushed him/her. IMO if you wish to commit suicide, your wish should be granted, whether you like it or not.
I know about this incident. The “po-town bridge” is the Mid Hudson Bridge, connecting Highland and Poughkeepsie, NY. I read a story in the paper about a jumper on that bridge a few days ago. The police did eventually talk him down. But seriously, I have no time for people like that. Kill yourself in a way where you won’t screw up traffic.
Here’s the story:
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100610/NEWS/100619982
You guys get on the internet and have a philosophical argument (on a humor site) about depression, with your #1 support of your argument being the fact that you are depressed, it’s no wonder you are depressed! Get outside and stop bickering! Forget about it. You’re just running in circles.
As for the status, I cannot help but laugh at something filled with such sadness and insensitivity, otherwise I’d cry. You want to talk about selfish? How bout pinky, that doesnt give a rats @ss if this person lives or not.
I known a few people who killed themselves. They did it at home, and it was after some traumatic event. One killed himself because his mom recently passed and he didn’t have anyone else. Another killed himself because he was depressed. Neither of them actually ever said anything to anyone and no one even guessed they would have killed themselves.
Lol.
Troll alert!
and yet, someone really close to me killed themselves, and we were not that surprised. Because it was far from being their first attempt. Because even if we kinda “saw it coming”, it has been going on for years and THAT time, we weren’t able to stop them. (Contrary to the half dozen near-miss before)
THe only thing I’ve gleaned from these long list of comments is that ben is kind of a tool and The Dark One is a bit of a pant load.
And exactly how am I a ‘pant load’? I’m not even a guy…
Although if you’re referring to the other definition, I do actually know what I’m talking about. I’ve done plenty of research on it.
You’ve done plenty of research on being full of
sh#@?
LOL!
How exactly am I a “tool”, I’m not even inanimate.
And you’re an expert at being an imbecile?
Hey, at least I’m not as childish as to resort to insults when someone doesn’t agree with what I say, grow up and stop swearing. (A pant load is what I said before, as defined by internet vernacular).
Um yeah, you swore too. Besides, you know where our kids learn swear words from? Adults.
Again. Another terrible form of justification. XD
Why didn’t pink push that guy, maybe she wanted to next.
‘Cause that would’ve been murder… or assisted suicide, take your pick… and everyone knows that suicide attempts are at least 26.32% funnier (as of the last polls taken on February 29, 2009).
So even though pink may have wanted to, pink bravely restrained those emotions for the lulz.
I hope the guy jumped, suicidal people are annoying. People should just grow a pair and stop using the emotion excuse like its a tampon
*has attempted suicide multiple times*
Hey, I was pissed when somebody stopped me from jumping off a building.
Imagine how pissed the suicidal person must have been. >=/
So much wrong within this post…
ben is a troll. Don’t feed the trolls. They enjoy it. They absolutely revel in it. Just ignore him. he will get all sad and upset that nobody wants to play and go back and hide under his bridge–or maybe he’ll jump off it.
I have a few questions for those who think this is seriously selfish.
1. Have you been in a situation where you have wanted to commit suicide? If not how do you know if this is a cry for attention or them being selfish?
2. Being clinically depressed is a kind of mental disorder. Most people who are, are not aware of it and do not know to seek help or even think about it. Their rationality is gone, like someone who is schizophrenic. Thinking happy thoughts or just “sucking it up” doesn’t cure anything Sadly it doesn’t get better without counseling and medicine. So if they are unaware that they are hurting other people, does that mean that other people with mental disorders are selfish too?
3.Would you feel the same way if this person was your mother? Or your closest friend? Would you still find them an inconvenience?
1) Yes.
2) Being unaware of killing yourself in front of several drivers? Mmm. I doubt ‘the voices’ are messing with their head so much as to miss that fact. (Just poking a bit of fun at your comparison of depression to schizophrenia. Though I did get your point.)
3) Nope. I can’t say. Since the trauma after their death would definitely play a factor on my life in either making or breaking me. So… if it’s negative, I’ll take it negatively while grieving. If it’s positive, I’ll take it positively while carrying their memory in my heart as I carry on.
Though I shudder at the thought of losing a close friend.
By the way, what did that third question have to do with anything? *blinks* The guy was a complete stranger in this situation. But if your point was that the lot of us are only making a bunch of assumptions to the situation by how we feel about it as opposed to having concrete proof, I’d agree with that.
While I feel strongly on the subject, having lost people myself, I understand not everyone will have the same view on this as me. It just sucks that some people have no compassion. I see where people are coming from when they think it is selfish…however some people feel that they need to commit suicide because no one notices them. Doing so in public ensures that at least someone remembers them; this is regarding people that truly are wanting to do so, and not those who are trying to get attention. What I am saying is their logic is messed up and they are not aware that what they are doing is selfish, as they are to the breaking point where it is even considered acceptable to take their own lives. It takes a great amount of grief to get there.
But it is okay to not have the same opinion as me, as every person’s idea of compassion varies. Also I noticed a bunch of these posts are sarcasm and I understand poking fun to make light of a sad situation. I’ve noticed others taking them wrong and not understanding everyone is entitled to their own thought process.
The third was more aimed at the people that say “Yeah sure go kill yourself. Don’t do it where it could bother me though, you’re inconveniencing my day by wanting to die.” It was a question that if it was someone they knew, would they still feel the same nonchalant feeling about death?
Yes, it is disheartening to see several of the comments bash those willing to commit suicide yet we hardly know their story behind their judgment. Right? Whether it is logical, emotionally charged or just idiotic, you shouldn’t let it affect you too badly.
Mmm. But to force your existence on someone is almost like forcing your own agenda down someone’s throat, right? It hardly justifies it even though I can see the tragedy in the point you made there.
One cannot assume they do not have lost their rationality. Some people do and some don’t. Nature and Nurture join hands to make the final decision.
As for selfishness, it’s all up to those living on to decide by that point. All a matter of the situation and perspective – AKA assumptions.
“I’ve noticed others taking them wrong and not understanding everyone is entitled to their own thought process.”
Do you mean the lengthy debate? Or trolls?
Ahhhh. Okay. I understand the third question now. But again, each of those people have their own experiences and reasons to choose being either sympathetic or callous. Of course, you are entitled to how you feel about them… but I just feel awful knowing it disturbs you to that extent.
I sincerely hope this helped somewhat.
People have such a variety of reactions to one little post and that’s what makes me really like these sort of comment forums. Some comments can really fire someone up, but I try just to roll my eyes and move on. What’s that one comment to the variety of opinions of the population in the entire world?
Not much. And that’s what keeps me positive. (Hope that helps too. But I’m sure most of what I said, you’re intelligent enough to have known from the start. ^_^ )
I merely was making some observations and wondering out loud. Of course I don’t believe that others should think as I do.(Not that you were saying that lol)
That seems to be the opposite of what others are doing in this whole thread. Trying to force their opinions on everyone here. You have the side where they are for the suicidal person being selfish. (My thoughts were, how did they come to this logic? Only because it’s hard for me to see it from that point of view without some insight. After rereading my original comment I realized as it came off as trying to reason with them, it was more like curiosity. The human psyche is complex and it interesting to know why or how others think the way they do.)
Then there is the other side, where they find it unbelievable that other people could be so nonchalant about it. Not everyone has the same sensitivity levels; and instead of accepting this fact, they are horrified at this “cruel” behavior.
There is a lot of speculation going on here about something that nobody really knows the facts on. Whether they were depressed or not, wanting attention or not. It’s interesting what conclusion everyone has come to, with such vague knowledge of the situation. Mine was just an observation not really related to the fail itself, I guess.
To sum that up, everyone has their own opinions and nobody is required to think the same thing someone else does.
So I agree with you, I was just interested to see where some of these people were coming from.
And as to people not understanding sarcasm, I meant the lengthy discussions on why someone was a horrible human being for not “caring” about the person who wanted to commit suicide. Some of the comments were meant as jokes, and taken seriously…thus turning into elementary like name calling lol.
Ahhh. I understand now. A fellow ‘people watcher’ at last!
But I think I could provide a bit of an answer as to why some could see it selfish. One could be that if it’s someone close to you, you want at least a chance to provide your utmost support save them, right? But no matter what you tried, they did the deed anyway.
One could perceive the person was too far gone to be saved… while another would most likely take it as their efforts being spat on. A heavy investment is paid to try and save someone from themselves – extremely heavy.
Another reason could simply be seen from… Mmm, let me present this joke instead so that you might be able to see the picture better without me bringing you down with melancholy scenarios.
A man learns he only has until before daybreak to live. He tells his wife and they proceed to make tons of passionate love. By around two in the morning, after they finally cease, the man turns to his wife to tell her that he loves her.
Thinking he wants to have another go, the wife then quickly reprimands him saying, “You want to do it again? Look, you’re not the one waking up in the morning to go to work!”
Get it? A public one suicide seems selfish as you include bystanders that have no reason to be involved – especially since they do have to keep living. Again, it -seems- selfish. We can’t really tell for sure if it is or not. But to those call it that, they strongly feel it so since their paradigm is glued to the notion.
But as for any other reasons…
I’m not really sure. That was all I could come up with. I apologize if those were things you already gathered from what you read and I was only beating a dead horse. Though I truly hope that it was of some help.
Koiishi, think like me or GTFO…
… obviously kidding, I just couldn’t help myself.
Right quick,
1. yes.
2. this question reminds me of my favourite line, “you say tomatoes, I say ketchup”. I’m guessing your post was based on the assumption that the jumper was clinically depressed. Unfortunately you just can’t compare that to any other mental disorder. It would be unfair to say that anyone with a metal disorder is inconsiderate, because we just don’t know what they have and could, for all discussians sake, truly be something they have no controller over.
Also, lets take a moment to point out the facts that back in the good ol’ days, you rarely (if ever) heard of people being depressed or clinicaly diagnosed with anything. And yes, it’s because there really weren’t any clinics to give a proper diagnosis. So what does this mean? Frankly put, your momma beat the stupid out of you. If you were depressed you suck it up/man up/shut up and take it until you were all better. Even now a days. This was the same fashion in which I overcame the many different psychological disorders I was diasnosed with.
Many a people are also most likely thinking, “why didn’t you seek help?”, and I think it was stated before (prolly by Zuo) that the help that’s offered at most places like schools and camps isn’t anywhere nearly as helpful as those you should actually need to get better. They are people who took in or two psychology classes and think that just because of that they are qualified to give people advice/help… like many of our posters here?
I’ll also take this space to point out that pychiatrists are not the best way to go. If possible seek help from a psychologist (the people who don’t have the legal power to issues medicine). The number one reason why psychologist actually help people is because you are sure you are going to some one who will listen to your problems without fear of being made fun of. Real psychologists never tell you what you need to do, they simply listen and let you figure it out for yourself. Offering advice is almost guaranteed to make matters worse. So for all you posters thinking you are really helping out by giving any kind of adivce, don’t. The possibility that you are making matters worse is too great to take that risk… that is, if you really care about those people.
3. yes. If you are going to do something so selfish as to kill yourself without taking proper precautions or the steps necessary to ensure my personal well being after you’re gone, I will hold it as a personal grudge against you and/or acceptance that you just didn’t really care about me and used me selfishly.
I’m gonna say this. As someone that has felt broken since I was Eight years old. no Its not my fault, But when you spend every day wondering whats wrong with you. Why cant you be happy like other people? I did’nt ask to be this way when I was a young child I was happy, But one day it just stopped.
As if we no longer have control over our emotions. I remember loosing friends and trying to feel sad for thier loss but only being able to think how lucky they are. Let me tell you being in that mind set is not easy to live with. and let me tell you suicide Is never the first choice. But how do you convey to people that you care about the soul crushing felling it is to wake up in the morning and realize that Damn your still alive? Is it wrong of me to feel this way? when you try to tell people they don’t really get it. Not everyone can. Because not everyone knows what It’s like to deal with pain or loss and longing. When you’re depressed you have this giant sence of longing that no matter how you feel how happy a situation you’re in still somewhere in the back of you’re mind there is always a voice that tells you you’re worthless all thies people wouold be happier without you. You can get angry at it you can try to ignore it BUT it never goes away. and now try feeling that way for the most of you’re life. Since you were a child. alot of time depression comes on even when you have no reason to be. and imagine how it feels to know there is no reason to be down but that mere thougtht alone only makes it worse. You want to know the selfish people?
It’s those whiny little babies that think just because thier GF or BF dumped them they have to go all out and atempt or commit suicide. because to people with depression we dont try to commit suicide because we want to. It is done because life becomes a fate worse than death. And seeing the avrage my life is so happy that have no clue and don’t care to know because thier lives are so great people makes it worse. See from my point of view depression is not caused because we don’t care about others, I think It is caused because we Care to much.
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Worst. Spellcheck timing. Ever.
Hard to see who is more selfish: the suicidal person or the person who was put out by that person. Maybe they should go on a date.
I sense a new reality show coming to fruition…
I actually agree with these Facebookers. If you want to kill yourself, fine, but there are plenty of ways to do it WITHOUT holding up traffic.
First I thought “wow, this is deep, I should reply to this comment”
Then I thought “wow, there are a lot of comments I want to reply to”
I conclude my thoughts with “Aw f*ck it, I have nothing to add to these ‘expert’ opinions, you guys already know everything”
Have you ever seen America’s Funniest Home Video’s? 95% of the humor is about people getting physically or emotionally hurt. Please stay away from humor if you’re afraid of being hurt.
I’ve heard some pretty funny jokes about suicide, but you probably don’t want to hear them. (and unfortunately I have no idea how to tell them in English)
*rolls eyes* Well it seems to me that these “chemical depression” sufferers lashing out at logical folk fit the description of “Histrionic Personality Disorder” better than the classical definition of depression. Either that or a constant flux between inferiority/superiority complexes fuels their sad, blown-out-of-proportion egos.
*hugs* Finally! Someone reasonable amongst the chaos!
You call someone with the name “Cannibal Lolocaust” reasonable?
Suicidal and/or depressed people are getting more depressed everytime they read a post like yours on here, and while I think there are too many people on planet Earth, I don’t think massive suicide is the right way to stop the growing of the world popularity.
Yay for the world!
Did you even read the post he/she made…? Oh, of course not.
1) I believe people that read -your- comment are going to become depressed. You just openly admitted that people need to die out because there are too many. XD Hard to take you seriously after making such a brazen statement.
2) Whoever mentioned about a massive suicide? *moves away from you slowly* Lolocaust is definitely a playful term… Holocaust is not.
And I do believe, I have become partially depressed that you would make such an asinine comparison.
I come to this website for laughs, and happiness. Not people arguing over whether killing themselves in selfish or not. Can’t we all just hide our fury and hurt pride inside ourselves, long enough for it to grow inside of us and be released on one single all CAPS LOCK comment, Half insults, half swear words? I mean, This IS the internet.
Fear the fury that is the Caps Lock…
Ok, despite how hypocritical this is to say this- Can you please all shut the hell up and at least try to get along on a comedy site? I mean, really, these things are here as a joke- something to cheer people up, make someone laugh, brighten an individual’s day- and somehow, any time a relatively sensitive topic springs up, everyone gets in a massive argument over it. Someone gets pissed at the post and says something, then another person gets pissed at what they said and starts an argument.
Despite how founded the initial offense OR rebuttal was, it eventually devolves into nothing but insult throwing, mutual hatred, and two or more sides trying their hardest to convince people who’s minds are already set on their own opinon, resulting in a whole lot of nothing but wasted effort. And the funny thing is, people don’t even try to avoid these things on a site like this. They don’t take advantage of a site that is meant to entertain people, or just set aside their differences and close their mouths. Yes, on sites like these, most people will eventually find something that they consider offensive, while others consider it hysterical. That is the nature of human individuality. That does not mean that we should get in heated arguments about it. It means you should skip the one you find offensive, and go to one that makes you laugh.
To those who get angry and comment on the posted image, joke, etcetera- Just pass that and hate it silently, it usually isn’t a good idea to post your anger on the internet, as the majority of people who see it will not have a favorable reaction. To the people who respond in ANY hostile manner to the previous person- Maybe you can try to avoid an argument and keep quiet. Both sides need to remember that they each have their own opinon, and neither may be right. Hell, there may not even be a right or wrong in the situation. Also, in some of these instances, someone may have had a traumatic incident that the joke recalled or poked fun at, and in these instances, don’t you think it would be best not to rub salt in the wound?
Whether or not that is the case, there is absolutely no need to start an argument. In truth, when this happens both sides are at fault for deciding to start and continue a pointless altercation that could have easily been avoided. I find it absolutely incomprehensible how people can get into this so often on a light-hearted website. For once, I want to see people just set aside differences and get along, at least in a place like this.
To summarize my feelings for this situation, I will go ahead and qoute Rodney King- “Why can’t we all just get along?”
^.^” Sorry, I didn’t bother reading that whole mesh of writing. (Next time use more spacing to make it an easier read.) I think I get the gist just by reading the first and last line though…
If it helps, what would the world become without a little hostility every now and then? A utopia right? Why? Because individualism would be lost. So I say, let them go at it. It’s their right and there’s no real reason to take it personally seeing as we’re all strangers here. If they want to, then so be it. =) That’s the great thing about open comment forums, no? You can say what you want as long as you abide a few decent guidelines.
Besides, can you -honestly- get along with everyone in this world? Of course not. But that’s what makes life so great since allows you bonds that you probably could never make within the utopia where one’s social life will be at a constant boring equilibrium with no chance of change or risk.
*beams* You really made my day with this post.
Thank you!
Yeah, sorry about the lack of spacing. It showed on the comment typing area, no idea why it didn’t show up, lol. I suppose you’re right about the utopia thing. I didn’t mean for everyone to have the same idea though, just to try to get along every now and then. On the same note, if people always did that, life would get a little boring after a while.
And no, I can’t get along well with everyone, noone really can (Except Ghandi, maybe). A utopia would be boring, and would keep people from making any meaningful bonds (It would would be like the movie Equilibrium, really), but as I said, I didn’t mean to insinuate that that was what I wanted. Just for people to try to get along every once in a while, or state their opinions in an intelligent manner, at least on a comedy site.
You are right for the most part though. Thank you sooooo much for actually giving an intelligent response dude, you have no idea how great that is.
Whew. I’m just glad I saved you from going to the humdrum side of mindless drones. Just kidding. I know I didn’t save you. You already knew. But I am sincerely content in knowing that you were able to take my response without hostility as most would have.
I see where your coming from that the website would probably be a lot better of with the need for… Mm. How shall I put this… Eloquence? Respect for the English language? Manners? The knowledge on how to make an honest but not vulgar statement as a comment? I agree. I would love that, but in the end… It’s the without that makes Failbook… well… Failbook. Right?
It’s awesome that I managed to pick up your spirits though – just by being myself. XD
*sighs* If only I knew how to make friends on this site. I’d pick up all the ones that do respect such qualities and have the most incredible conversations and debates.
Oh well.
Thanks for the response! ^_^
I still don’t think that being mentally ill is an excuse for scarring somebody else for life. How about the people who see you drop dead at their feet? How about the two girls who saw their babysitter pass out from an overdose? (if he had been my babysitter, I would have kicked his ass first and then pitied him)
Your actions have consequenses, why can’t you take responsibility for them? Let them deal with the problems you cause, because you can’t help it? F*ck you, please stay as far away from me as possible. If I would start to care about you, and you would still kill yourself because you can’t help it, then I would be the one left with a problem.
Face it, there are 6 billion people on this planet, and only a few really care about you dying. You are not the centre of the universe.
Spread your wisdom, but don’t try to convince others of your way. Then you will find a lot of dissappointment on the internet. Don’t judge other people on what they write, you’ll only hurt them because you don’t know them. You think “Cannibal Lolocaust” is the name of someone unreasonable? Think again when you’re on a website called failbook.com
Lol, after rereading my comment, I would have almost deleted it, it reads like a lot of bullsh*t. But hey, who knows, there could be some truth hidden in there
Kudos, FunnyBunny. XD Kudos.
Besides, there’s a saying that goes quite well with one of the points you made, “Que los ojos no ven, el corazón no siente.”
Translation: What the eyes do not see, the heart does not feel.
Do you understand mental illness at all? The whole point is being unable to think rationally and relate properly to the world. That’s what makes them mentally unwell. It’s not like if you or I just got up one day and decided to annoy everyone by splattering ourselves somewhere public. But your ~ compassion is commendable…
Mental illness and suicide are two very different things. One is the result of the other. I try to understand mental illness to the best of my abilities, but I know that every human mind is to unique to acquire complete understanding. I also have compassion for them for the illness they are suffering.
But suicide is not a mental illness. It’s an action most of the time caused by a mental illness. If you don’t take responsibilities for your actions because your illness made you do it, then we don’t have a lot to talk about.
Life is not about you or me, it’s about the impression you leave on other people. I have met my fair share of mentally ill people, some of them became my best friends, some of them I couldn’t stand. What should I judge them by, if not by their actions? By their personalities? By the way they dress?
And don’t talk to me about compassion. I can give a lot of compassion, right to the point where it hurt me. And if he’s still whining “I can’t help it, why don’t you understand me!”, then I quit. (yes, this is from personal experience)
I could like someone, even if he is mentally ill. But I’m not stupid. If he’s hurting me or somebody else, and he’s blaming it on his mental illness, I won’t like him. A simple “sorry, can you forgive me?” can get you a long way.
lol, where is that delete button when you need it…
This whole thread should be posted on failblog.
I don’t mind if people have all the compassion in the world for people seriously mentally ill, or people who are just losers and want attention. I hate it when the people who fell that way think everyone else has to think exactly how they do.
What does this have to do with your post? NOTHING! Wah ha ha ha ha
Like totally! and now they’re going to have to skip the gab fest and go straight to the theater where they are catching the latest Twilight movie. OMG, they have to hurry because they need to get good seats! They don’t want to sit behind any losers! Like, OMG the nerve of some people! They just don’t understand how important it is to get good seats at Twilight, and have to be all suicidal over like, real-life problems.
I knew Twilight would somehow sneak its way in here. XD
Of course! We’re talking about depression and attempts at suicide suicide after all, side effects well-known to people with double digits as their IQ after reading the last book.
*takes a deep breathe* *gives a moment of silence to Anne Rice and her -far- better written vampire series*
That comment was just stupid. You’ve blown it out of proportion by making the car driver look completely pathetic and the person attempting suicide look like he’s been through hell and back.
Is suicide justifiable? *ponders*
You know… There are far -worse- things that happen to have a person reach that breaking point. The stuff you listed seem rather… well.. trifling. But either way, Daz hit the target.
How do you know the poor guy hasn’t?
Touché.
However, we can play the ‘what if’ card all day until our fingertips are bleeding and never really come up with anything. Right?
just shoot yourselves at home guys.
If you’re going to jump, do it quick enough not to block traffic. Actually, why did they block traffic? How much space can a suicidal twit take? Also, why do people think they can do anything about this? If he’s hoing to jump, he’ll jump. If it’s a publicity stunt, he’ll leave. I’m guessing that, if he’s actually thinking about jumping, he thought about it at home. If you’re not sure, don’t do it.
I’m thinking they block traffic because it’s awfully messy when a body lands on a car.
I agree with both of them. I would be annoyed too. My best friend killed himself by jumping off the bridge, and while it was devastating and very sad, it was also very selfish how he left:/
You know, most people who attempt suicide [in the time before they are about to die] want to live once they have actually pulled the trigger on the gun or started cutting “down the road”- suicide attempts are not only a cry for attention but also a cry for help. Most people
*Most people suffer from depression from a tortured past. They should get as much sympathy as people who have a terminal illness, because they do have a prolem. Before you start going out and judging people, stop and really think about the situation.
heshouldhavejumpedwithhim
If some turdtwat wanted to kill himself, why not just do it? It’s not like it’s hard to kill yourself. It’s actually damn easy to die, especially on purpose.
Stop Stallin’
For someone who claims they were suicidal, you don’t seem to understand mental illness very well. The whole point is being unable to think rationally and relate properly to the world. That’s what makes them mentally unwell. It’s not like if you or I just got up one day and decided to annoy everyone by splattering ourselves somewhere public. But your ~ compassion is commendable…
Incidentally, a lot of people feel frustrated and stressed and unhappy and think about killing themselves – and whilst this is terrible and they deserve help and sympathy, this is NOT the same thing as being genuinely suicidal.
Or so you believe… *ominous music plays*
That poor person, and I hope those two horrible fbers grow up.
Go to sleep, Disgusted. Go to sleep.
There’s a cluster of retards on this bridge. And it’s not the traffic…
People get depressed when they are unable to cope, or when the chemical balance in the brain is unstable. Research has shown that these people (a few percent of the world population) exhibit more empathy, and may be more prone to depression. They are also the more highly evolved of the human species. We need these people to nurture and care for the human race. Evolution is obviously encouraging empathy in its survivors!
If you can’t even comprehend this, you are obviously the slowest swimmer in the gene pool.
Just imagine what would happen if, instead of being upset that you’re being held up, every single person sitting up on that bridge got out of their cars and rallied to show that person that they cared and brought them down safely?
Doesn’t matter if the person is just looking for attention. They obviously desperately need it. Why not make their entire life and give it to them? You’re stuck there anyway, right?
If only things worked out like they do in the movies, right?
Do tell me… ‘what hurts and takes up the most energy?’
Think about it. It’s a rather risky investment to make on a person you don’t even know. If you hold life every person’s life to be have high value, then naturally you would join such a cause no matter the impending end result. But if it is otherwise…
That is the issue you must consider heavily. For all one truly knows, a failure to save that person may only ensure in several more people feeling heavily upset at the fact that they were helpless to save that troubled stranger.
Jesus Christ, has no one ever heard of “Dead Baby Comedy?” clearly, this is what this is. if you are sensitive then yes, the status and the comments are extremely offensive and disheartening. But the whole POINT is to be offensive as possible! judging by all these comments, they clearly succeeded. now regardless of whether you find it tasteless or not, they were obviously joking. as if you guys never joked about a serious situation in your life.
thank u selphine. see i wasnt really making fun of it, at first, i was on my way home from from a night class n was like “god y now this isnt worth it’ but we kinda made a joke cuz stuff like this always happens. yes just a casual joke or lightening the moment between friends. anyway if u all want to kno he was 23yrs old and they finally got him down n he was having money problems. happy ending kinda.
Having lived in po-town, I’m gonna have to agree with pink. It sucks when they have to close that bridge!
I involuntarily “wow”‘d.
Dude. I so wish I could like this right now.
A++.
How do you people know that the person standing on a bridge looking down for ages is attention seeking. They probably planned on jumping but had second thoughts when the time actually come. Wouldn’t you have second thoughts. It’s a big decision .
The biggest deciding factors in choosing a suicide method is usually what is the quickest and pain free.
If I was about to commit suicide I wouldn’t be thinking about the strangers on the bridge. I would consider a method that would be easier for my family members though.
The act of suicide is not selfish. It is selfish to expect someone to live for you. You should just do your best to make as little negative impact on your family as possible. Assure them in your suicide note that this was in no way shape or form their fault.
Apparently 95% of suicides are the result of a mental illness.
Apparently 95% of suicides are the result of a mental illness.
I’d like to argue will that theory.
1.) Depression is not a mental illness. Depression is an adaptive mechanism. The problem is that we ignore it and continuing to do things that keep us depressed. Depression is a normal response, how we handle it is abnormal.
2. I’d like to argue that people that deal with chronic pain are appox. 4 times as likely to kill themselves than the average person.
I am a chronic pain sufferer due to a hit and run car accident (not my fault) and yes sometimes I think about going to a bridge pretending to jump in order to have somebody, anybody, help me treat my pain. Yes I do want to die but I want the pain and the disability to go away more.
If I had not ended up in this situation I would think the same as many as the posters above.
And about the whole selfish thing, it could be argued that everything we do in this life is selfish. We are all self involved it’s just a matter of degrees.
Just my .02.