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True, true.
If the average Christian is anything to go by, then ‘shallow’ is precisely how Lent works. Next time you meet a Christian, ask them if they’ve actually read the Bible, and that includes the OT.
Dag man, your average and my average are two waaaaaay different things if your Average Christian is shallow. Generalizations and stereotypes of any kind are based on a minority of people who actually make up the group in the stereotype/generalization an made to be thought the majority. Think about it.
Actually, the world would be better off if Christians stopped reading the OT. There wouldn’t be as many gay-haters in the Christian realm if they forgot about the OT.
Yeah because the NT is totally pro-homosexual.
Yeah, it’s got nothing important, like adam and eve, the ten commandments, the history of david, sodom and gomorrah…
Umm… I mean, I can understand how the Ten Commandments are important, the history of David might be, Sodom and Gomorrah might be a good lesson, but not all-important, but how are Adam and Eve important?
it teaches you to resist temptations; which is kind of what Lent is about ( i think?) giving up temptations/resisting temptations. right?
I was taught that Lent was about sacrifice and understanding what it’s like to give up something you love, as Mary gave up Jesus…….none of it ever made sense to me, guess that’s why I call myself a Recovering Catholic now.
Like giving up temptations to be an Atheist. *ick* It might give them a powerful urge to shower.
Joke Fail!
Lent is also supposed to represent the 40 days that Jesus was in the desert and resisted the temptation of the Devil. That’s way lent starts aproximately 40 day before Easter.
For the record, Jason, I am the “average Christian” … or as average as possible. I’ve read the Bible cover to cover twice. I also use what I read, but I am open-minded as the next person. I don’t judge my friends despite the fact they sin a lot.
Every one sins, no one should be judged because of it. Jesus says we should forgive one another.
You seriously have read the bible cover to cover twice? nice
Deyy scinnes ai lottes……howwes youse reetches datt wiffoutes juddgerinnes….
further proof I’m not your average Christian. I don’t typically give up anything for Lent, this year I gave up snickers bars. I’m not expecting my husband to go buy a case of them on Easter….
If I don’t have to read the manual to wire a home theatre, why do i have to read the Bible to be a good Christian?
Or… if you don’t have to read the manual to wire your home-theater, why would you or anyone else have to proscribe to a particular religion to be a good person?
Da frit, you dont. But it comes down to the masses of people who have followed religion in the past and present are the reason why you are a good person simply by you being dipped and mixed in with this religious society.
Ah, so goodness by association then? Is that any really better than guilt by association? That’s just one problem I have with organized religion… funky logic.
I know I’m generalizing here, but I can see what havoc a bunch of seemingly religion-following zombies is wrecking on the world …so all this s***t about religion making you a better person is a load of bull, IMHO.
On the other hand, you can develop your own perfectly credible set of values without being religious at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
You mean “subscribe”, not “proscribe”. Proscribe is to denounce or forbid something. Like Judaism proscribes eating pigs’ flesh and shellfish.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proscribe
Point is, you don’t have to believe in some invisible sky dude to be a good person.
AH, you’re right. My bad. Serves me right for posting when I should have been getting some sleep lol. Thanks for the catch
And you’re right, shouldn’t have to!
Then again, I also think, if one IS going to be part of a given religion… you should ‘read the manual’ so you know what the religion is all about. Not doing so to me is seems like just saying one is Christian or Muslim or Jewish just for the sake of saying “Ya, I’m part of this club” for coolness points.
SERIOUSLY? You are going to turn something so stupid into a Religious debate? Wow – slow day in the basement huh?
welcome to the interent! enjoy your stay!
You haven’t been on the internet very long, have ya?
Internet religion debates don’t even rank as high as “internet 101″. They’re more like the common sense of “don’t lick the electrical sockets”
Wow this idiot is a shame to christians =_= for lent, when I give up stuff, I give up stuff, same goes with everyone else I know. I’ve NEVER heard of anyone saying “I should reward myself for easter cause I gave up something so awesome”…..WTF. If you take this retard as think she is how all other christians are then you’re a retard yourself.
That’s not a very Christian thing to say, now is it, Ashiiya?
Let she who is without sin cast the first stone…
No no, we never gave up slavery.
Hey, I thought I got ride of you in our last genocide.
Atheistic genocide. Stalin ftw! (Yes, it’s happened)
Amusingly, I think pagans are more likely to sacrifice YOU – children are gifts, you’re a curse, and I wish the atheist HAD gotten rid of you in a genocide. ><;
That said, you have the right to live like every other intolerant jerk who hatemongers, whether online or anywhere else. You are the reason for 99% of this worlds troubles. As humans, we have become so hateful – people need to learn to love each other, accept each other, and not judge each other so harshly. Also, not lying is a great start.
By the way, I'm neither. I'm a Buddhist. I simply believe that everyone has the right to their own path – and that Christians are destroying any semblance of peace that we get.
Just because you're not at peace with your belief in a zombie, born of a virgin and an invisible man living in the sky, come to save you from your sins… doesn't mean you should give everyone else hell for being secure in their beliefs.
The vocal minority not representing the majority argument only really works if the majority isn’t -like- the vocal minority. Every christian I’ve ever met, vocal or otherwise, always tried to push their beliefs on everyone around them, not to mention the whole ‘hellfire and brimstone’ lectures repeatedly.
I don’t care what religion anyone is, even if it’s Satanism, just don’t force it down other people’s throats. Your bible said god gave us free will, what right does mankind have to try and take it away?
I’m sorry, but do people walk up to you and say “Hey, I’m a Christian?” I mean, I’m sure that happens, but no, the only people you know are Christians probably feel comfortable enough to preach to you. I consider myself a Christian, but I also believe that there is truth to most religions (especially the major ones). I have never tried to convert anyone, most of my friends are atheists, but I truly believe they would be happier if they chose any religion.
Everyone who hates on Christians need to realize they’re just as bad, they have a “holier-than-thou” complex just as bad as the Christians. Like saying “Well I may do XYZ, but at least I don’t proselytize!” No, you just have a false sense of superiority. You’re just as bad as them.
Despite popular belief, there is no merit-badge system in the Christian church. “In your face” Christians don’t (maybe I should say “shouldn’t) “shove religion down your throat” because they get anything from it, they do (should do it) it because they are convinced it can help you. If you were convinced everyone was dying of a horrible disease, and you had the cure, wouldn’t you be a little aggressive in sharing what you thought to be the cure? It CAN be irritating to have people be so aggressive with sharing their faith (ESPECIALLY if you already ARE a Christian), but it should also be a little flattering. It can be terrifying to share something that personal with anyone. They care enough to share what they perceive to be a life-giving truth. That should count for something.
If I was convinced that everyone was dying of a horrible disease and I had the cure and there was no empirical evidence that anyone had the disease or that the disease existed or that a cure existed or that I had it, and I actively told people this and tried to “help” them… I would be pretty quickly classified as a schizophrenic or something else relating to mental psychosis and debilitation. I would probably be medicated or institutionalized, or both. I would certainly not be given credit for trying to “help” people. It’s pretty clear to professional communities based on verifiable truths that people who see things that aren’t there, know things that are unknowable, believe in prophesies or messianic manifestations, are unnecessarily paranoid for themselves and/or others, and whose actions are determined by irrational fears are by definition clinically insane.
So while I am glad that a lot of good and beneficial actions can and do come out of the psychosis of ascribing to a dogma (not spiritual or anecdotal relation), I do not believe that evangelism “should count for something”.
So your issue is with epistemology then? Because *despite* what Hitchens, Dennet, or Hawkins say (whom you lifted the religion=psychosis idea from), the case is not as you represent it. Christians (albeit not all, *some* believe with little evidence) believe because it’s reasonable to them, not because they hear voices in their head. Your generalization is gross (over 80% of America believes in some form of “higher power;” much too high of a number to constitute a minority), and my point was utterly missed.
My whole point was an individual’s *motivation* should at least be a factor. It isn’t as if an Evangelist wakes up and thinks, “oh gee, I should go try to make someone exactly like me.” They do it because they really do care. So, *motivation* should count for something, not “evangelism.” Do you complain if someone tells you about a show they really love? Do you complain when someone suggests a restaurant they benefited from? Even if they’re a little annoying in their presentation, you’ll at least hear them out, won’t you? If you want to hash it out over ontology or epistemology (Christianity is largely forensic, not empirical, as is much philosophy or history), that’s one thing. All I’m saying is that even obnoxious evangelists (whom I also dislike) should get a little bit of a break because at least they’re trying to do the right thing. Which is more than I can say for myself today.
an internet debate, won by the pro-Christian side? I don’t know how to handle this, going to look at LOLcats
This is a beautiful comment, and I commend you.
Baron Fel, you win. And this comes right at the point where I finished reading The God Delusion. Mr. Dawkins perpetuates his arguments without thinking the whole thing through, many, many times over, begging the question. It’s all about agenda.
Absolutely!
Well, I thought this failbook entry was stinking hilarious!
(And I’m a UMC pastor, by the way.)
Agreed.
another self fail…
Original entry = funny as hell. The girl was obviousy fishing for comments. Does “tongue in cheek” mean anything to you people?
Here’s some things to look up:
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
And lighten the fuck up, people!
I’m so glad I’m Jewish— we skip about three steps, but we ALWAYS get the Chanel purse.
Also, has anyone ever tried giving up homework for Lent?
i tried this year and my mom said no lol
As Jon Stewart once pointed out, even in sin, they’re paying retail!
Yes, a Chanel purse would be a huge accomplishment, but that’s a weird comparison. Anyway, what kind of big present do you want?
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life” John 3:16. Sounds like a pretty big present to me.
Sound like a load of crap to a lot of other people.
HIGH FIVE TO CYNTHIA!!!
WIN!
its gospel not gossip you dumb fuck.
No, it’s really fine. Christ was WAAAY into Chanel.